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zvkad7
No.118072
>CELEBRATE INDIAN RULERS INSTEAD OF MUGGLES YOU IDIOT!!
>Okay, Ashoka was pretty cool I guess
>NO, NOT LIKE HIM YOU DIMWIT!
why are bhaktbhangis like this? what's their problem with ashoka, probably the greatest emperor India's had?
m0EWdc
No.118074
>>118072(OP)
Bhangijeet, ashoka chamar was single most responsible person for downfall of india
ZX10rT
No.118077
>>118072(OP)
Ashoka still IS the greatest ruler that ever, ever touched this nation. Any Bhakt Bhangi who says otherwise is not a true Bhakt, and simply has an agenda.
6tSe4s
No.118079
>>118075
Not him but if you can't name the subsequent rulers of a dynasty, then you can get 100% that guy whom you can last name is probably responsible for its decline.
Maurya - Ashoka
Dalli - Tuqlaq
Muggle - Aurengzeb
ZX10rT
No.118082
ZX10rT
No.118085
>>118079
That is a fairly reasonable take, Ashoka dropping the arms kind of doomed the nation. On the other hand, he saw the kind of war like no one has.
Ashoka perhaps was one of very first few people to suffer from both political and military bases PTSD. Where the soldiers that fought in WW2, vs the soldiers that have to blow off the heads of little girls in Afghanistan now, makes some of the people far less likely to take glory in war campaigns like their ancestors.
Aurandzeb was an incompetent little bitch though, he literally just proceeded to fuck up a dynasty that managed to unite Hindu and Muzzies against all form of odds.
zvkad7
No.118086
>>118079
>YOU FUCK, WHY DIDN'T YOU SHOOT GOOD SPERM INTO YOUR WIFE? LOOK AT WHAT YOUR SPERM DID NOW!
6tSe4s
No.118087
>>118077
That's simply not true, until discovery of his stupas, Ashoka was hardly a foot note in Puranas as that goy who conquered Odianighers and then converted to Buddhism to cope.
His mythos is basically a Buddhist version of Constantine.
Meanwhile the Hindu timeline itself is split in to two, before Vikramaditya and after Vikramaditya. Ram remains the most celebrated Hindu king in the story and a model every king aspires to be.
I would say even a Muggle king like Akbar had much more presence in Lindoo consciousness than Asshoka ever did
UwQNwo
No.118089
6tSe4s
No.118093
>>118089
Kushans are just Indiaboos, they are not real pajeets™️.
Also they conquered Tibet, which isn't really 'China'. Core Chinese state is the eastern part of the current China.
zvkad7
No.118095
6tSe4s
No.118097
>>118095
Kind of retarded argument.
If you're comparing the size of empires, then the greatest Indian king ever was George V. Also most of it was conquered by his predecessors.
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LQdNfx
No.118099
>>118074
Of course, the idiots who haven't even ruled over a single hour of their lives say nonsense about the greatest ruler to step on this pajeet land.
THE PROOF IS IN SARNATH
Muslims tried to raze it down
Incompetent Biharis tried to steal materials from it
they tried to bury it with mud and dirt
But they couldn't. It was simply too massive.
Just as the Sun and Truth cannot be hidden for too long, so did Sarnath reveal itself just in time.
It's where the Buddha first spun the wheel of Dharma.
It's where the greatest ruler of all times built the first stupas and ensured that the wheel keeps rolling.
Even in ruins, the ruins are bigger and more massive than most Hindu temples.
Even in ruins, they still have a grandeur not even massive living temples do.
6tSe4s
No.118101
>>118095
>>118097
Also as a rule of note, it's almost always Buddhists that seethed and reed against Hinduism. Don't forget who let the muzzies in because they were angry at Lindoos.
Buddhism by its own design, is a religion that can't survive without state sponsorship so anytime a ruler decided to stop dickriding it, it declined in following and in almost all those cases buddhists are known for writing seething oppression stories about that king lol.
zvkad7
No.118103
>>118097
>discussion about indian kings
>George V
On a scale of 10 how retarded anon? The topic is literally about celebrating Indian kings not kings who ruled India
Also, he did inherit part of his empire but he also managed it and expanded it. That is pretty impressive. Greatness doesn't just mean the best zero to hero stories
UwQNwo
No.118104
>>118093
>>118095
you both are very very wrong
they were indians who settled in china
their mummies are still found in Tarim basin
East Asian dna was found in them because they mated the women their .
People dont want to admit this because this gives a green light to OIT
all the empires that invaded india and assimilated with indian culture were indian who went outside india 100s years ago, there's a reason they assimilated very peacefully
Huns were vaishnavites before they invaded India and assimilated , was reading something related to thuns on r/indianhistory and someone asked this same question how were huns vaishnavites in central asia ,this broke the mind of Redditors, they were making excuses ahahah
UwQNwo
No.118106
>>118104
kushans were indians kushans were Indians kushans were Indians kushans were indian OIT FTW OIT FTW OIT FTW OIT FTW
I will never back down
6tSe4s
No.118107
>>118103
Because you're the one who made the argument? I'm judging him by his influence, not how large his dick was.
His main influence is in spreading Buddhism from being some obscure incel cult in Bhangihar to a global phenomenon, so I aptly compared him to Constantine.
But his influence on the larger Indian subcontinent and his grip on Indian consciousness is debatable. I would put in top 5, but hardly the greatest.
g+Gy/5
No.118109
>>118099
This raju faggot wasn't shitposting when he said he gonna convert to buddhism
6tSe4s
No.118110
>>118104
>OIT
Regardless of whether it's true or not, I wouldn't consider some bhangis who left centuries and came back centuries later truly 'native'. Just like how I don't really consider Romanis pajeets.
zvkad7
No.118111
UwQNwo
No.118112
>>118110
romani were Dalits
their haplogroups are the evidence
otherwise your statement is correct if those indians had'nt left India imagine how great India would be ,more importantly how good looking indian people would be just imagine
6tSe4s
No.118113
>>118104
>all the empires that invaded india and assimilated with indian culture were indian who went outside india 100s
Also you could make this same argument for Buslim empires as well kek, they were mostly pashtun rape babies who were previously hindoos and buddhists. I don't see similar coping from bhaktbhangis regarding mullahs so I don't see why I need to accept that cope either.
g+Gy/5
No.118116
his drastic turn to non-violence after the Kalinga war severely weakened the Mauryan Empire. He abandoned military expansion and disbanded parts of his army, leaving the empire vulnerable. His idealism came at a cost the centralized power and military strength required to hold such a vast empire together declined. After his death, the empire crumbled rapidly, paving the way for invasions by foreign powers like the Indo-Greeks and eventually the Huns. His successors couldn’t hold the empire together because Ashoka had decentralized too much and demilitarized. A great ruler ensures
1. succession
2. sustainability
Ashoka failed at both. His conversionn came at the expense of the traditional Kshatriya martial culture, which arguably made India less prepared for future invasions.
UwQNwo
No.118118
>>118113
I didn't mention Mughals specifically for that reason, that they were muslims
Also
kushans were buddhists shaivites mixture
Huns converted from vaishnavism to shaivism
6tSe4s
No.118126
>>118111
>Be Indian
>Have a big empire
Regardless of how retarded and simplistic this measurement is, even this is debatable lol. It's been put in to question how big his empire was lol.
By similar logic then Aurengzeb would be the second greatest king (or even the greatest, if we accept the theory that the stupas faked the empires size) and tuqlaq the fourth or fifth(despite tuqlaqian in the cuntry being synonymous with being a retarded ruler).
And if you go by this guys logic here >>118104 George V too kek because Brits are descended from pajeets.
I rather judge by overall cultural achievements, prosperity and longevity of the empire, by which metric Guptas were considered the golden age of India. Zerg rushing your opponents and then barely holding it for a decade doesn't make one the greatest king.
6tSe4s
No.118127
zvkad7
No.118128
>>118126
hey I'm okay with considering Aurangzeb as a great emperor no matter his busslim mindset. It's the bhaktbhangis who have a problem
zvkad7
No.118129
6tSe4s
No.118132
>>118129
The references are there in the article. He's a esteemed scholar of Muslim history, not some heendu nationalist. But I'm sure you wouldn't care about that because you've an agenda.
>118128
And this is why I keep telling you have bhangi tier understanding of 'greatness' kek.
Aurengzeb's land conquests were a desperate attempt at keeping the empire running after its been dried of resources.
6tSe4s
No.118134
g+Gy/5
No.118139
>>118123
The History and Culture of the Indian People – Vol 2 The Age of the Mauryas by R.C. Majumdar
Ashoka and the Decline of the Mauryas" by Romila Thapar
"The Wonder That Was India" by A.L. Basham
There are 2 papers i can note but i don't think anyone will seriously read
zvkad7
No.118144
>>118132
I know it is simplistic to judge based on empire size alone bhangi. But I was willing to go along with it for this discussion because it's much more objective than 'influence' or something.
And so I continued with it in the discussion with Aurangzeb too.
And even if we went by influence, don't you think Ashoka has much more influence today than any other historical emperor? From Ashoka lions in gov symbol to buddhism in Sri Lanka and China (iirc) and so much more.
As for hindupost I've seen so much biased narrative building there it's hard to take it seriously. And this is coming from a BJP supporter. If not fakegiri they post one sided versions. I wouldn't be surprised if that author wrote somewhere else in the book that some hindi kings also helped them and these people ignored it. It is that kind of a site.
zvkad7
No.118145
>>118139
Thanks anon! You a history student?
eKO1NW
No.118163
>>118144
>it's much more objective
It's not. It loses a lot of nuance and context and judges kings by their ability to zerg rush and nothing else. Aurengzeb could hardly hold on to his empire for a few decades and it quickly fell after him. Meanwhile, brits were able to hold a larger area over a century.
Ashoka's dynasty alone lasted barely a century after his rule, iirc they were all killed by Pushyamitra, his empire's longevity is much more questionable.
>Buddhist influence
And that's why I compared him to Constantine? Honestly even comparing him to Constantine is kinda glazing him because Buddhism still don't compare anywhere close to the influence Christianity has, it's total population is barely roughly the half of Hindu population and Constantine's empire still lasted a millennium after his rule.
>Hindupost
That's the first result I got. There are other nuetral sources if you want. Even the nuetral sources afaik kinda agree that Buddhists were much more cooperative of the Muslim invaders and they just focus on debunking the 'opening the gates' narrative. In fact the story of Buddhist monks opening the gates of Sindh for Arab invaders is so famous a story that I was actually expecting a rebuttal of the narrative from you instead of 'muh sauce?' retort.
zvkad7
No.118183
>>118163
>Buddhism still don't compare anywhere close to the influence Christianity has, it's total population is barely roughly the half of Hindu population
here now you're judging by official numbers alone without nuance. It has influenced the philosophy and life of the entirety of south east asia in quite a massive way. Count the population and it's pretty much more than the number of christians in the world.
>In fact the story of Buddhist monks opening the gates of Sindh for Arab invaders is so famous a story that I was actually expecting a rebuttal of the narrative from you instead of 'muh sauce?' retort.
really? Idk I've never heard of it and I live in a pretty bhaktbhangi family
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LQdNfx
No.118185
ITT : Chaddis seething about how the greatest ruler of pajeetland chose Buddhism and not their Puranic deities
UwQNwo
No.118187
>>118185
I think first we should start with lord buddha why he left hinduism
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LQdNfx
No.118192
>>118187
He didn't leave Hinduism
There was no -ism to leave
He made his own path, separate from the Vedas, separate from the rituals to devas, separate from sacrifices, separate from ascetics making themselves suffer.
He didn't pray to any deity, but arrived at the truth by himself. Which is why he is called a Samyaksambuddha.
Also, unlike everybody else before him making the skies his witness, he touched the Earth and made her his witness.
It's a shift of values, not by rebellion, but by natural evolution of existing philosophy.
Read the novel Siddhartha by Hermann Hesse if you can, it explores similar themes.
UwQNwo
No.118196
>>118192
im saying in Modern context
eKO1NW
No.118198
>>118183
>muh irony
Because we're comparing religion, something personal and land borders that are hardly significant to most people in an empire?
This ain't a gotcha you think it is.
>It has influenced the philosophy and life of the entirety of south east asia in quite a massive way
I would even argue it haven't lol and this is honestly a huge cope coming from Buddhists.
For much of what I know, Buddhists in East Asia were treated not much better than how Christians were treated in the Roman Empire before Constantine. Sometimes tolerated, sometimes some guy is fascinated and sometimes outright oppressed.
SEA monkeys had more acceptance but they were originally Hindu to begin with and converted to Islam or Buddhism. So it's not as much as a 'Christianity replacing Roman Paganism' like event but more Orthodox Christianity bring replaced by Islam in ME like situation.
In fact, honestly if not for the Neo Buddhist larp, I doubt whether many here would care about Buddhism that much. If Bhimbedkar was alive today, he would just be an atheist instead of larping to be a Buddhist.
>bhaktbhangi family
I don't think Bhaktbhangis know much about Arab conquests to Lundia. They probably think Ghori brought Islam to Lundia.
UwQNwo
No.118206
>>118192
buddha wasn't special
he didn't create his own path
it was his turn to achieve ,so he did
everyone has that moment in their other lives
everyone will not achieve moksha at the same time ,everyone's path is different , if there is good there will also be bad, probability can never be equal to 1 or 0
eKO1NW
No.118223
>>118192
Buddhism is honestly just ripoff of Samkhya philosophy.
>>118185
I'm actually atheist, I just find it hilarious just how much Bhimnighers glaze Buddhism without understanding the contextual history.
https://www.reddit.com/r/librandu/comments/vto464/according_to_lord_buddha_the_kshatriya_is_the/
This is from librandu itself. Buddhism is more a reaction against Brahmanical spiritual superiority from Cucktriyas. Hence why it was more popular among primarily the ruling classes in previously Hindu dominant societies and quickly fell off once the ruling classes stopped caring.
In fact the civilizational Buddhism to Abrahamic pipeline needs to be academically studied. What causes so much previously Buddhist polities(Afghanistan, Bangladesh, much of Pakistan today, many SEA monkeys like Indonesia, Myanmar, etc..., even Philippines)rapidly adopt Abrahamic faiths once they have been rid of their state support? That or they fall for self destructive forms of communism like Cambodia did.
UwQNwo
No.118224
6tSe4s
No.118227
>>118224
I don't think anybody here is actually religious nibha. They're either larping or just want an excuse to hate muzzies(that doesn't sound racist like just accepting that they're subhuman).
UwQNwo
No.118230
>>118227
being religious and believing in god are two different things you retard.
most of the people here are not religious(including myself)but they do believe in god
ZX10rT
No.118242
>>118099
>Incompetent Biharis
Rand ke pille, yo Asok apna Delli me paida bhaya tha ya Dravid te paida bhaya tha?
>>118097
>Kings in India
>Not Indian King
Yaar retard...
>>118104
>Their mummies
Chod de jake unki mummy ko.
>>118106
>Never back down
Stay still anon, my massive cock won't go all the way down your throat of you back the fuck up.
>>118107
>Not how large his dick was
Your mom used to get arround and you heard the tales, but we don't need to learn them yaar.
BbUP7s
No.118248
>>118072(OP)
>caring about sum kang who wuzzzn't you
ngmi anan. That or any other faggit of a kang wouldn't have helped you. They would have made us sit for a much more harsher meme exam to blaady make a living. fuck them all
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LQdNfx
No.118249
>>118242
>Implying that the OG Kshatriya Buddhist King was exactly the same as a barbaric modern mazdoor from a culture of theft and filth.
Ngmi
6tSe4s
No.118254
>>118230
Believing in a gawd for what? I see no reason why you would need to believe in a gawd unless you have strong religious or spiritual persuasions. That's why I find all those ontological crap retarded. Believing in some esoteric concept of gawd is pretty much meaningless if it's existence is independent of yours and your personal belief in it isn't going to affect it. You chamar, will die the same manner as I'll and maybe if the universe is infinite, I'll type this same shit to you in some other cycle.
ZX10rT
No.118257
>>118223
Ironic that even today Bhimtas that are anti hindu budhus and k2a convert pipeline is unironically prominent. It legit needs to be studied yaar.
>>118230
Real, just because we don't worship god's every day doesn't mean we are Atheist. People are failing basic grammar on Bhachan yaar.
>>118227
I have a Muslim girlfriend, and I am a firm strong believer of Vaidika. Choosing to consider Muzzie a subhuman or not in the end upto a man's own choice.
The reason why I will give Owaisi the status of human for saying Pakistan Murdabad, but would prefer Cuckmiri Pandit now simply converted to Muzzies dead in a heart beat.
We don't need an "excuse" to hate anyone on an anonymous board. We just hate them, wanna see hate? Half the dalit community should be fucking culled, men and women alike, their, that is hate.
Can't tolerate how much crime those subhuman commit and how many of them unironically are rapists and pedophiles, it's not even like relevant to this thread and I said it. Did religion teach me this? No you fucking retard, witnessing what the Dalit community is like did. I don't need anything to be my shield.
We are not religious but we still are Theist and do believe in our faith. It's just our life does not remove arround religion.
6tSe4s
No.118258
UwQNwo
No.118262
>>118254
believing in god means believing in ourselves because god is In ourselves and everyeher else
he omnipresent.
Other Than than vedic rituals also known as dharma were created so that people dont suffer for materialistic things like they are suffering now for job, wife,exams etc.dharma was created for people to practise self control .
Go and spread this atheism on reddit some glow(by the way I am a nigger)s might help you there.
Atheism is symptom of kaliyug.
ZX10rT
No.118267
>>118254
>I see no reason
I see no reason for your mom to not get on her knees and start brutally deep throating every single person in this thread including you. Just fucking gargling that that cock with her neck, massaging the fuck out of that shaft head with her tonsils anon. Yaar matlab awaz hi alag Lage tujhe jab apni mummy se baat kare tu. Does that mean your mom is a whole because of my little understanding of your parents and you?
>Inb4 ye rand ka pilla bole "hoe bhi sakta hai"
6tSe4s
No.118275
>>118262
>gawd is blah blah blah
Yeah don't care, didn't ask, nothing ever happens if I did.
>materialistic things
Lol. Capital have pretty much unaffected by your religious devotion.
>spread atheism
I'm not some militant atheist faggot. I just don't believe in gawd and don't care as long as fags don't impose it on me. Otherwise I'm perfectly happy if fags want to do their ooga booga to themselves.
>>118262
>ur mum
Grow up kiddo.
ZX10rT
No.118281
>>118258
>Too mature too do anything about what you did to my mum
Bhak re randi ka putra sala hijda, gand me dum na kachu boleke? Sala dedh baap ka huwe ka be? tohri mai ke boor chodo lmao. Keep coping faggot.
>>118249
>Implying the genotype magically changed now
>Implying phenotype = genotype
>Implying state of territory = genotype
>Implying of resources in Bihar was it's fault
Bhak chutiya, chod ke tohari maiya, banadeb toke badka bhaiya, bhujro wale. Kachu Bhujlo Sochle naike ka re likhe se pahile? Kuul athan kaccha ke kaccha pahinli walan baccha ke jaisan tark deli, bhak re lund chatua, psueo intellectual ke jhat. (Literally the language Ashoka spoke btw lmao)
6xGvZm
No.118283
>>118262
>believing in god means believing in ourselves because god is In ourselves and everyeher else
I skip the useless part and believe in myself staright up
6tSe4s
No.118285
>>118281
Once again, grow up kid.
UwQNwo
No.118286
>>118283
if you believe in yourselves, just keep believing and be humble
gGRAOi
No.118294
>>118145
A classmate is history student. I take her stuff sometimes. Its all pretty interesting.
ohsFVg
No.118297
>>118281
kek
UwQNwo
No.118305
>>118275
>ooga booga
wow guys I just found out we have Swedish blonde blue eyed atheist here wow guys
just because some white people are atheist and their countries are a not shithole(that too due to our money) donesn't mean you should abandon your religion.
you are brown sepoy who thinks following religion is yoga booga activity
Certainly currently some people might not be following our religion the correct way that donesn't mean you just disregard
you are a brown sepoy at heart ,you won't with agree with this but you are I know.
you know white people are hollow their culture is abanding their parents when they old,their women having triple digit bodycounts but they are still fine with it, them living separated from each other without interacting with each other.they bomb every country but stil, act like they are some kind of role models who are most civilised due to their atheistic beliefs but karma is hitting their birthrate is at extreme replacemeent levels due to their lack of self control their wife's cheat on them , they eat goyslop everyday.they are just hollow their society is dying just see on re4ddit 4chan news how they feel lonely they have nowhere to go.they won't exist before the end of this century (due to their birthrate)which im glad btw.
JVxVR/
No.118312
>>118294
Nice man. Make a thread on /sa/ with more recs when you have the time.
