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tw7i9e
No.19743
what does '(indian)' and 'varna' mean?
PgzbRC
No.19751
tw7i9e
No.19754
>>19751
whats (jai bhim) and varna?
z/76i7
No.19757
>>19751
Is it possible to be a Rajput ?? Or will it be Rajasthani ?
PgzbRC
No.19758
PgzbRC
No.19761
>>19757
nahh, naturally most people born in Rajput Varna were Kshatriya by Dharma
Not seen cases of what u mentioned
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1FOWJn
No.19762
PgzbRC
No.19763
>>19761
Sorry meant to say karma not dharma
DvTPn8
No.19764
>>19743(OP)
(indian) is same as Varna it's just the English name I guess.
Gotra is a subset of (indian) though
PgzbRC
No.19765
hzM/Zn
No.19766
PgzbRC
No.19767
then their are sub(indian)s too
its complicated
PgzbRC
No.19769
>>19766
acha ig got bit confused
PgzbRC
No.19773
anyway (indian) is determined is by jaati only, same jaati means same tribe.
varna theory was debunked long ago
PgzbRC
No.19774
Gotras are important to make sure inbreeding doesn't happen
We were really farfetched kek
tw7i9e
No.19780
what is jaati and gotra?
PgzbRC
No.19783
>>19780
jaati is the tribe you belong to, these are your closes blood relatives after your own Gotra
Marrying within own jaati/tribe is a ritual as old as human history and this was followed by almost all humans naturally
Gotra is your clan which you belong to, these are your closes relatives after your own family
Mv0EOa
No.19806
>>19751
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>>19764
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>>19769
>>19773
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>>19780
>>19783
Varna literally means color in sanskrit.
In ancient India, there was a chatur varna system of social hierarchy - Priests, Kings, Merchants/Peasants, Servant Labour just like many other societies of that time, at some point these social groups became endogamous.
(indian) actually comes the Portugese word Casta which means lineage, when the Portugese colonized Latin America, they mixed with the local populations, they also brought some negros with them who also mixed with the local populations, as a result over the years the population got muttified, producing a spectrum of lineages.
Mv0EOa
No.19808
Mv0EOa
No.19812
>>19780
Gotra basically means Clan.
Among the Brahmins it is descent from the rishis.
My gotra is Bhardwaja for example.
Certain groups have their own clan/gotra system such as Jats
Kshatriyas, specifically Rajputs specifically have their own clan system.
Gm71UV
No.19849
>>19743(OP)
Jati is endogamous tribe/kinship group.
Varna is the ritual status of your tribe as defined by brahminism.
(indian) is just a word europeans used for both jati and varna.
For eg
Both ahirs and jats are shudra by varna but they are different jatis.
Khatri and baniyas are different jatis but both are vaishya by varna.
Kashmiri wanis and marwadi baniyas are same by varna but different by jati.
Ramgarhias and vishvakarma are shudra by varna but they both are different jatis.
Kashmiri pandits and tambrams are same varna but different jatis.
Rajasthani rajputs and uttarakhandi rajputs are same by varna but are different by jati.
Lohar and kumhar are same by varna but different jatis.
A jati can be martial but be considered shudra if they dont patronize brahmins and dont observe vedic customs.
XULul0
No.19853
>>19849
>Kashmiri Pandit and Tambrahm are different Jati
no they are closely related, although not as much as they are to other brahmins
XULul0
No.19864
also religion doesn't have much to do with (indian)
their have been cases of Same jati having 2 different varnas like Parekhs from Gujarat who have
Vaishya, Kshatriya, and Brahmins in them
Bhunihars from Bihar who inclued both brahmins and Kshatriyas
Even Sikhism and Islam followers who these day preach about muh equality, follow strict same tribal / ethnicity marriage rule
Gm71UV
No.19865
>>19853
Dont mix sociology with genetics. Kashmiri pandits are genetically closer to kashmiri wanis(traders) than to non kashmiri brahmins.
XULul0
No.19867
>>19865
I'll have to check more about that to believe it
Gm71UV
No.19877
>>19867
Its well known. Brahmins have diverse y haplogroups including y haplogroups common with non brahmins indicating that brahmins dont have a common origin. Priestly/shamanic classes of different tribes probably got absorbed into brahmin fold as vedicism spread. In punjab ramgarhias(shudra carpenters) samples show close affinity to punjabi brahmins so it is also possible that some brahmins abandoned priesthood when economy demanded it. The brahmins of punjab show higher IVC ancestry whereas those of up bihar show higher 'steppe' and aasi ancestry. Brahmins arent a monolithic group.
e+OVuf
No.19881
chorro im too retarded to read all this, im bruhmin btw.
XULul0
No.19888
>>19877
In the NW, artisan (indian)s are offshoots of Brahmins, hence identical autosomal. Ancient literature supports this (for example the Vedas), in which the artisans were once Brahmins who took to their current occupations. You see this phenomenon in Punjab, Rajasthan, Haryana as well as Gujarat when it comes to Brahmins and artisan (indian)s being nearly identical.
punjabi ramgarhia are the only non brahmin group who are close to Punjabi brahmins though
but I couldn't find more cases
their other close relatives were
Brahmin (Gujarat)
Brahmin (Himachal Pradesh)
that also explains why some of them use brahmin surnames, like Sharma
NXIDaN
No.19960
Varna = (indian)
Jati = sub (indian)
Gotra = sub sub (indian)
aUGd6j
No.19966
>>19743(OP)
Varna is social class based on birth and profession(birth is primary)
(indian) is like community/clan
Gotra is lineage
hx4G0G
No.19975
>>19812
hi fellow bhardwaj , i am bhardwaj too !
hx4G0G
No.19978
>>19877
>i am also a ramgharia , but my gotra is bhardwaj ,my maternal side has gotra like kashyap , kaushal , vashisht
XULul0
No.19981
>>19975
>>19978
that's good to know brother, we are from same jati and are very closely genetically related, unfortunately due to varna, dharma lauda lassan we got divided into different things
hopefully in future More brahmins and Tarkhans and other artisan (indian)s from nw will realise that we are brothers and unite like old times again
FHRe0v
No.20298
WHO ARE THESE NUFAGS divulging into bait thread of (indian) kanging and last name fagging here
get a life
no one carez
not even OP
FHRe0v
No.20299
We have to make an orgnanised system of BAIT threads now for BHACH
i think there are many nufags in here
LIST for BAITS:
1. (indian) kanging
2. rakshak OP
3. (auto-excised) admirer simps
4. wannabe CHAD
if you took any of these baits
it’s time for you to leave this FORUM
pathetic thread idea by OP if its not a BAIT
FHRe0v
No.20300
>>19743(OP)
Terï Maa se Pooch OP
GhCqLw
No.20302
>>19743(OP)
Take a look at this Varna, Jati, (indian) on Flipkart
[Blocked URL: https://dl.flipkart.com/s/L!rVwKuuuN]
GhCqLw
No.20303
>>20302
>blocked url
yaar admin
Take a look at this Varna, Jati, (indian) on Flipkart
https://dl.flipkart dot com/s/L!rVwKuuuN
/SrB6U
No.20304
>>19758
(jai bhim) is ka bacha
