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Aryan migration theory (out of india)
gs0QJ5
No.19890
My hypothesis is that original aryan homeland is HARYANA from where IVC began which spread the indo european language and culture to central asia and europe and rest of india.
Largest ivc site(rakhigargi) in haryana
Oldest ivc site(bhirana) in haryana
First vedic state(kuru kingdom) in haryana
Haryana was also a site of saraswati river.
Steppe ancestry highest in haryana jats.
Are these all coincidences?
IVC and vedic culture is one and the same. The epicenter of this culture was haryana. They spread their ancestry to europe which is now interpreted as steppe. AIT has got it all backwards.
zeqDMr
No.19893
>>19890(OP)
>steppe ancestry
its complicated, different steppe groups have different haplo groups, steppe ancestry isn't singular
/B8m8O
No.19895
>>19890(OP)
gs0QJ5
No.19900
>>19895
Do you know the meaning of 'hypothesis'. My interpretation of facts may be wrong but the facts i presented are true you can verify them.
u8h9mg
No.19905
>>19890(OP)
aryan matlab? my friend's name is aryan
gPZtGr
No.19907
9NBPiM
No.19908
>>19890(OP)
Who cares, my ancestors were farmers for as long as we can map them, they were never philosophers, artists, inventors or mathematicians
xv0PSl
No.19911
>>19907
Theek he bhai ab jaa vapas khet me apne ab
/B8m8O
No.19912
>>19905
Go back
gs0QJ5
No.19920
>>19908
Jats are the population that were able to preserve this ancestry because they were commoners of the area. The elites mixed more with others and migrated after drying of saraswati. It makes sense that natives commoners remained less mixed.
McomeE
No.19925
UmbIIG
No.19942
>>19905
Master race
47hl5Q
No.19979
>>19890(OP)
pic related.
people are so fixated or atleast fixation is yamanya even though horse theory has been pretty much deprecated at this point, modern day horse are not related to those and were domesticated later. way to late to work with ait meme.
yamana aka steppe groups had major ancestry contribution from caucus hunter gatherers (CHG) and these caucus hunter gatherers had almost major ancestry like 70% of contribution from iranian hunter gatherers (Iran_HG) which are also the ancestral contributors to the ivc descendants, we call it Iranian Neolithic farmers aka Iran_N and if we track the ancestry admix among population it peaks in the indian subcontinent. Iran_N mixed with AASI is what explains the ivc genetics more or less.
now this is why we wuz kangz is retarded because there's no monolithic pure ancestors everyone is descendant of group of people who kept migrating.
This is time period of almost i think 20,000 years lots of migration into the subcontinent, some of them went to the upper reaches i think BMAC - atleast we can at bare minimum confirm the existing trade and commerce with IVC and that region. Entire world was pretty well connected through trade during IVC times.
Why i am explaining this? It's about culture and religion, most likely the CHG and Iran_N had a common cultural religious stories / myths which were being carried on - we know that chg and steppes etc. had farming knowledge being shared etc. So do myths which means ivc was following some sort of proto vedic religion etc.
There's research paper which pushes date for ivc way further than we know, language would be sanskrit related too.
So in a way this whole steppe theory is meaningless, obviously it's not significant to change entire culture religion because ivc was way to densely populated already.
This is pretty much the crux and reasonable explanation. Rest of the genetics makeup extra can be explained in n ways.
At the end aryan term itself has no bearing and no owner other than indo-iranian groups, anyone else is a larper. If we are going to play ancestry game then ig africans won long ago.
NAU/tN
No.19985
>>19979
Why are aryans supposed to be the masterrace anyway? Like in theory of nazis and modern day kangz, what do they refer to "aryan" and why is it supposed to be the masterrace?
Nv8u3j
No.19987
>>19985
their is no masterrace, but we all are different in some way
gPZtGr
No.19992
>>19985
>Why are aryans supposed to be the masterrace anyway? Like in theory of nazis and modern day kangz, what do they refer to "aryan" and why is it supposed to be the masterrace?
Early nazi propaganda propogoted theories as to why aryans are the masterrace, they used different variations of these basic things.
>Only white(Aryan) nations were developed and civilized
>Whites had been able to colonize whole world basically.
>Industrial revolution and all modern day inventions were done by white researchers
>Whites need to racially conscious otherwise jews will ruin their civilization
>They used word "Aryans" instead of whites because it would be easier to alienate Slavics(who were enemies) as Slavs are also considered whites.
NAU/tN
No.19993
>>19987
No, I am just asking about what the theory of kangers is over aryan being the masterrace and what each of the group that kang over it think the word stands for?
Nv8u3j
No.20002
>>19979
1) Steppe isn't singular, its possible like you mentioned had steppe too but different haplogroups and percentage
2) Migration to india wasn't a one way thing and was a long process, it's also possible that mixing was more popular in early days
Hb6S/6
No.20003
>>19890(OP)
Steppe ancestry isn't "aryan".
There is only one place on this planet which has produced aryan culture and called themselves as such. And that place is India.
Engaging in this discussions is a waste of time, its a fantasy bait - made for white people who are generally rootless and jewed to the max.
So they flee into these steppe fantasies.
Nv8u3j
No.20007
>>19979
also not everyone is related to other, of course on a broad level we share 90% dna with monkeys as well, does that make us the same species??? europeans have higher Neanderthal dna which evolved differently to human groups like erectus etc etc, they might not seem a lot but in practicality are enough to cause differences
47hl5Q
No.20012
>>19985
That's good question, ignore aryan part if we are talking about steppe groups then they were mostly just pastoralist groups - literally your dudhwalas + banjara tier people.
IVC was a full fledged civilization that itself is a kino aspect. I was mostly explaining the genetic aspects. Cultural thing can flourish n ways and commonality itself can be explained - commonality in myths.
There's obvious too much back and forth due to ice age etc. so we are not even accounting that.
The most cited paper on genetics from swat valley had only one person with genetic data relevant to Indian and that too 500bc, too late for the pushed data of around 2000bc or something.
NAU/tN
No.20013
>>20003
Kek based retard
gs0QJ5
No.20015
>>19979
I think steppe is just a component of IVC ancestry that trickled out of india northwards into europe. IranN migrated via a southern route and steppe via northern route from india to west. I even suspect aasi is same as iranN. They have found some west eurasian component in aasi. I think geneticists have taken a wrong approach in separating these 3 ancestral components. They are one and the same geneticists have just created labels to differentiate between ancestry that remained in india and the ancestry that left india. IranN and steppe is just AASI that migrated out.
47hl5Q
No.20016
>>19992
also this it was a nazi propaganda also pushed by british to co-opt culture or achievements - sanskrit/vedas of Indians too. I mean aryan word itself has been stolen.
>>20002
pic related is from one of the most extensive papers released recently.
migration in and out indo-iranian plateau but in a way that is the center of whatever we call aryan.
whatever mixing happens from the bmac to afghanistan to nw region is way insignificant for cultural aspects.
i don't want to go into the origin of r1 haplogroup itself tbh. because that's another can of worms.
Nv8u3j
No.20017
>>19993
It evolved like every ethnonationalism movement yaar, in Hitler's case all the people in his country were white so to divide them he had to words like Aryan to make them seprate from jews, hitler was unlucky to be on wrong side of war and then every action he took was deemed le bad
47hl5Q
No.20024
>>20003
point
>>20007
hmm ig, steppe itself was result of mixing b/w CHG and Iran_N along with Eastern hunter gatherers.
There's a kino paper explaining the samples of Iran_N and CHG - this is not the paper but this has the location and it's related to genetic and agricultural transmission.
Here's ganj dareh is the place where Iran_N sample was found and you can see genetic flow being illuded.
This is the confluence which pretty much explains most of the flow of culture aspects more or less.
Nv8u3j
No.20025
>>20016
The Celtic languages originated in central Europe, not in the British isles. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_languages)
The Germanic languages originated in north Europe, in what is now the Nordic countries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanic_languages#History)
The Balto-Slavic languages originated in what is now western Ukraine, Belarus, and eastern Poland. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balto-Slavic_languages#Historical_expansion)
The Indo-Iranian languages originated in central Asia, east of the Caspian sea. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andronovo_culture)
its also not clear what horizontal sides of the triangles imply
gs0QJ5
No.20026
>>20012
Ignore genetics part for a minute. The fact that vedic heartland(kuru kingdom) that started the compilation of vedic hymns and created brahminism is the same as IVC heartland. That indicates the two are one and the same (frawley's paradox).
Regarding genetics IranN is a great contender for aryan ancestry even better than steppe. Theres a lot of confusion regarding steppe here. In swat valley steppe ancestry is present but it is female mediated. All indian y haplogroups are non steppe. Even indian clades of r1a are different from european ones. Its funny people have stopped discussing about haplogroups now that autosomal steppe ancestry is trendy. Few years ago all genetic discussions were about r1a not steppe. Kek
47hl5Q
No.20031
>>20025
This is new paper and yes there's lots of debate on linguistics expert on this.
>triangles
>prior = assumptions before the calculations based on the linguistics, archeological, genetics data.
>posterior = actual results / probability
47hl5Q
No.20034
>>20026
>The fact that vedic heartland(kuru kingdom) that started the compilation of vedic hymns and created brahminism is the same as IVC heartland. That indicates the two are one and the same (frawley's paradox).
Yeah the ownership is mostly based on 'our great great great ancestors wuz', even in that case it would be more like a common ancestor but you can't fight with those who are not interested in logic.
>>20026
>Regarding genetics IranN is a great contender for aryan ancestry even better than steppe. Theres a lot of confusion regarding steppe here. In swat valley steppe ancestry is present but it is female mediated. All indian y haplogroups are non steppe. Even indian clades of r1a are different from european ones. Its funny people have stopped discussing about haplogroups now that autosomal steppe ancestry is trendy. Few years ago all genetic discussions were about r1a not steppe. Kek
true desu.
I was tryng to read on the sinauli excavations, i had few queries i couldn't explain we found sign of warrior culture but i am not sure what was their genetic makeup, if it was mostly ivc adjacent then in itself it's great cuz it showed warrior aspects of ivc which was presented as some all equal utopia (though we know that's not the fact, hierarchy existed).
gs0QJ5
No.20057
>>20034
Its so retarded to think that ivc didnt have warriors. Fairylands only exist in dreams. Yeah sinauli proved warriors existed. They found war helmets weapons and armour there, even a solid wheeled chariot.
