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7aSz70
No.54348
Psychological defeat is way more tormenting than death itself. Trauma, PTSD, and getting crushed over and over again change how a person functions. It’s not about “deciding” to keep going—sometimes, the brain itself refuses because it’s been rewired by years of pain.
This quote oversimplifies reality. It assumes that as long as you "believe," you haven't lost. But when your psyche is shattered—when even basic honesty feels impossible because you've been conditioned to suppress yourself—that’s not just "psychological defeat." That’s deep, lasting damage.
A man with CPTSD isn’t playing a “mental game.” He’s fighting against a system of thoughts, habits, and survival mechanisms his brain built just to function. Some days, even that fails.
Acknowledging defeat is sometimes the strongest thing you can do. Only when you accept how broken you are can you start rebuilding, piece by piece. No fake warrior mentality, no delusions—just raw, painful, real healing.
The ones who say "it's all in your mind" have never suffered like this.
OTc09r
No.54359
Many people dont know what truly giving up looks like.
OTc09r
No.54365
also yaar, you should have posted this thread in a different board, now it will get buried under foidposts.
7aSz70
No.54371
G1osn3
No.54373
A man with PTSD is still better than a man who’s dead.
yZtMJy
No.54374
>>54348(OP)
not reading allat 😂
s/De3N
No.54375
>>54374
>not reading allat 😂
ajW7xD
No.54382
>>54348(OP)
Nullcoated
yZtMJy
No.54386
>>54375
💀
+Qmkt2
No.54388
>>54382
Kya hua pyaare
EywuJL
No.54491
>>54373
A man who dies heroically, showcasing something virtuous, is far better than a man with PTSD who abuses his wife and beats his kids. There's a reason why martyrs are celebrated.
vvE4Xz
No.54938
7casDo
No.54945
>>54348(OP)
The ultimate point of life is to live as long as possible, when you die you loose, simple as
vVnTLz
No.54948
>>54348(OP)
>Acknowledging defeat is sometimes the strongest thing you can do. Only when you accept how broken you are can you start rebuilding, piece by piece.
Most retarded thing i have ever read. Feels like written by a 19yo wannabe schopenhauer
Once you accept defeat, no way you can rebuild again


JNU/+n
No.54982
>>54348(OP)
>Psychological defeat is way more tormenting than death itself. Trauma, PTSD, and getting crushed over and over again change how a person functions. It’s not about “deciding” to keep going—sometimes, the brain itself refuses because it’s been rewired by years of pain.
Are you making a case for death?
>>54348(OP)
>This quote oversimplifies reality. It assumes that as long as you "believe," you haven't lost.
That's incorrect interpretation. It's more about as long as a person is alive, they have not truly lost - from here on everything depends on how you process things or act. You can give up or surrender but that's not the inevitable outcome - rather a possible scenario.
In your case each statement is more incorrect than the previous one, though conclusion is inclusive to quote itself already. If people went by your first quote they would see suicide as an easy way out. Many do to acknowledge, reaching out, etc. is what this image extols you to.
It is kinda summation of state of Arjuna, who upon seeing the great war - his family and frens was psychologically broken. He gave up - to the point he was willing to surrender to the death, Arjuna multiple times in Gita is stated as best among men so not a normie at all but even a person like that can break up. That's when Krishna extolls him to perform his duty while explaining.
In most of our lives we face situations which sometimes break you beyond your limit - those who go by your first statement would go for suicide etc. But those who have even a bit of resolve, they will try to pull things together - reaching out to others, asking for help etc.
It's not about bravado or warrior like thing.
tHzqSL
No.55042
>>54982
You're right that the quote intends to inspire resilience, and that surrender isn’t the only outcome. But let’s be honest: the reality of psychological defeat isn’t that simple.
It’s not just about “giving up” or “having resolve.” When someone is repeatedly broken—through war, abuse, neglect, or deep systemic trauma—it’s not always a question of choice. It's not just, “Do I try or not?” It’s “Can I even function enough to choose?”
Telling people that “as long as you’re alive, you haven’t lost” can be empowering—but for someone in the depths of trauma, it can also sound like invalidation. A person battling CPTSD or dissociation might feel more dead than alive. They’re breathing, yes—but they’ve lost relationships, dignity, agency, identity. They might feel like a walking corpse. In that context, being alive doesn’t feel like winning—it feels like punishment.
Yes, Arjuna broke. But Arjuna also had Krishna—divine guidance, literal intervention. Most people suffering today don’t have that kind of clarity, nor a social fabric that gives them purpose. Many don’t even have someone to talk to.
The issue isn’t the intent of the quote—it’s the effect it can have when thrown at someone in deep psychological distress. Telling them they "haven’t lost" while they’re living in a mental hell can feel like gaslighting.
What’s needed isn’t a glorification of survival alone—it’s empathy for how hard that survival is. Some people drag themselves out. Others barely crawl. Both deserve compassion, not just idealistic motivation.
So no—this isn’t a case for death. It's a case against simplifying pain. It's a reminder that not everyone needs a pep talk; some need to be seen, heard, held—and then, maybe, they’ll find the will to fight again.
tHzqSL
No.55045
>>54948
yaa you are right, accepting defeat is cuckholdry.
Jidc8j
No.55052
>>54348(OP)
idk man seems slightly off. A ruthlessly defeated opponent is often left to fend off or made to accept suzerainty of the victor. Hence defeated for life, only way for loser is to exact vengeance over victor but that doesn't sound as good as fighting to death. an uber man would not care though.