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SGTOW General #50
pcT9Q5
No.436500
SGTOW
Shudras Going Their Own Way
Today's topic: no one wants to be a Shudra in hinduism, all Shudra groups want to larp as pseudo kshatriyas. This alone proves the dire status of shudras in hinduism. Most people wrongly believe SCs are shudras ,but this is wrong, SC groups are Avarnas
What can be done for emergence of a nationwide Shudra consciousness in india
Rv9I/s
No.436511
>>436500(OP)
At this point only thing which can save Indians is complete wipeout of any sort of collectivism ideology. They act in heard, bully in heard, pull you down if you go against the heard. Heard is the problem.
pcT9Q5
No.436518
>>436511
Impossible. I have thought very deeply on this, tribalism, (indian) in group feeling etc is GIVEN in india. This is the DNA of Indians. India is a nation consisting of a thousand nations, every sub sub (indian) is nation /volk of its own
India is a cooperation /federation of these nations . Always has been, since the very beginning of the Vedic age, various tribe conglomeration voted for leaders of Janas
So I suggest for ways for a nationwide Shudra consciousness to emerge
wgpgnK
No.436520
>>436518
How?
iztQc/
No.436521
>>436500(OP)
Do shudras believe in restoration of Aryāvartā?
Shudra unlike avarna also existed in Aryans so they are not from outside, it's not about religion it's about morals, principal and ideology you follow.
pcT9Q5
No.436523
>>436518
This is not to say that there is anything wrong with being a conglomerate of these thousands of volk/nations btw. I just want shudras to move away from Hinduism if possible, a larger volk for shudras is very likely not happening
But we need to stop this denial of Shudra status by Shudra groups, this is the first step to fix things
pcT9Q5
No.436525
>>436521
SGTOW believes in moving away from Hinduism including the Vedas and its ideals, including Āryā.
Rv9I/s
No.436526
>>436523
Question would be about what would be their identity, how you move on from there.
iztQc/
No.436528
>>436525
If you moved away from Vedas don't call yourself shudra them.
qJF4ss
No.436529
>>436500(OP)
If SC/ST and Dalits all aren't Shudras then who are the real Shudras?
Rv9I/s
No.436530
>>436529
SC/ST and Dalits are not part of the varna system.
pcT9Q5
No.436531
>>436526
You dont need to associate to one of the 4 varnas
An excellent example is Jatts, they are Shudras but they DGAF. They also don't larp as kshatriyas
I am pushing to stay with (jai bhim) and (jai bhim) alone, something like Parsis.
These groups should first own up to the fact that they are shudras, then consciously choose to move away from Hinduism
pcT9Q5
No.436533
>>436529
Most OBC groups and many general category groups (I am general category)
pcT9Q5
No.436545
>>436528
I dont, but recognition that the vedas denote me as a Shudra is necessary to Go Your Own Way
pcT9Q5
No.436547
>>436538
Old varna system as given by scriptures. Most Shudras fall in OBCs, but a significant of them fall in GC, that is what i am saying
jsRv7p
No.436548
>>436500(OP)
I am from Yadav community and our older god was Gopala who was sanskritized as Krishna later.
9N8azL
No.436550
>>436500(OP)
Why do you want to be in a religion which places you at the bottom of the hierarchy. Religions like Sikhism and Buddhism were started to challenge the Brahminical hegemony. Islam and Christianity also spread in India later due to same reason.
iztQc/
No.436551
I want yo believe in God, but not in religion.
God always gave strength to move forward.
I can't reject him.
I can abandon religion, but not god
pcT9Q5
No.436556
>>436548
Yes, very unfortunate. That's why rajputs sneer at you guys today, you guys are correct to call yourself descendants of gopala but it got taken away and today Rajputs call themselves real Yadav descendants of Krishna
Many rajput groups are already trying to appropriate some important historical figures of my (indian) as Rajputs. I wonder how so many historical figures were appropiated
pcT9Q5
No.436557
>>436550
That's what I am doing with SGTOW
pcT9Q5
No.436558
>>436551
That's good . You can look into Plato and other philosophers to get their idea of a divinity
9N8azL
No.436559
>>436551
There is no god without religion.
qJF4ss
No.436562
>>436530
>>436533
I'm most definitely a Shudra. I belong to CG and our casté is said to be rajputs who migrated eastwards after mugals took over but there's no historical proof about it. Millions of smaller casté like mine have to live hiding from our truth or absorbing into higher castés through fraudulent practices
I'm fully ready to embrace my Shudra identity and embark in search of shudra consciousness
pcT9Q5
No.436568
>>436562
My (indian) is called some Sat Shudra but I find it a cope for Shudras that don't want to be proper shudra, mine also tried to larp a lot as Kshatriya
Og4ekQ
No.436570
>>436554
>>Buddhism
>Khsatriya supremacy
How?
Also why do you even need a religion? Why not just be atheist? Even if you believe in some form of god, then just do so. Do you really to become a member of some large organized religion?
Also imo, picking one religion out of all like this is kinda retarded to me. Religion is literally just following stuff written your holy book because you believe those teachings come from God himself. And if you believe that, who the fuck are you to judge those teachings? If you think Hinduism is true, then who are you to question anything in it that was taught by the Gods? And if you trust your intellect more than this retarded belief that your holy book is sourced straight from God rather than some fallible being, then why do you need a book in the first place?
Remember that religion is literally cucking your mind. Following any religion is mind-cucked.
iztQc/
No.436571
>>436550
On the bright side, you can leave there's no punishment for it.
You can choose your way anytime you want.
>>436548
Kek Krishna is older than your community
Yadu and Puru are not today's Yadavs
>>436559
>There is no god without religion
God is not bound by Religion I believe. He endures as long as faith endures even if it rests in a single heart. I have felt it most clearly when I was at my lowest that quiet certainty that I was not alone.
>>436564
>Accept Islam the true religion
Yar Pooslime
pcT9Q5
No.436577
>>436571
He is saying their ancestral god Gopala got merged with Krishna which is possible. Krishna himself emerged from the Vrishni heroes
qJF4ss
No.436578
>>436564
I will not accept Islam. Instead I'll dedicate my life to the worship of our Jatav leader Lord Rinku Singh who scored 44(20) today
pcT9Q5
No.436580
>>436571
>there's no punishment for it.
There is. This is a big misconception/lie spread that hinduism does not punish apostasy. The puranic scriptures and smritis (meant to be a read by shudras) have strict punishments for not following rituals, vrats etc. Not observing vrat on Krishna janmashthami condemns you to some serious trouble in Naraka according to some smritis/Puranas
pcT9Q5
No.436583
>>436578
Rinku should learn to hold his temperament like Kohli and he will be unbeatable.
But please dont turn this into a Sports thread
Og4ekQ
No.436584
>>436577
Not that Padav anon but possible? It is a fact that he got Sanskritized. Most gods in Hinduism are stolen gods
jsRv7p
No.436585
>>436577
Yes since Krishna carries the remnants of my people I don't find an issue but it has caused delusion among my people and those who attack us.
pcT9Q5
No.436587
Fun fact: word Shudra is mentioned in Rig Veda only once, during Purusha sukta. Some trads interprete this as everyone not in top 3 varnas is a Shudra
pcT9Q5
No.436589
>>436584
True, although I find it uncomfortable to discuss this topic as I have been conditioned to respect hindu gods
wgpgnK
No.436591
>>436587
Are you well read on scriptures? Tell us more on how to create shudra consciousness.
pcT9Q5
No.436595
>>436585
True. This thing alone causes Savarnas, trads to hate and attack you guys
I suggest you start pushing your old Gopala deity and openly declare you don't want anything to do with Krishna as mentioned in Mahabharata and Brahma Vaivarta Purana, this will shut them up
iztQc/
No.436596
pcT9Q5
No.436597
>>436593
>there is no physical punishment or torture.
There are. You just need to look for them. Manusmriti alone mentions many punishments
They aren't imposed but what gets seriously implemented in hinduism anyway?
pcT9Q5
No.436598
>>436596
I dont. I believe that there is some divine force that sees and experiences universe through life's consciousness, and that it is possible for humans to get esoteric knowledge by tapping into this
pcT9Q5
No.436599
>>436591
I just know bits and pieces
pcT9Q5
No.436601
Here is a thought experiment we had in an older sgtow thread
Since us Shudras can't read scriptures we aren't aware of the rules, so we are free from them
Rv9I/s
No.436602
>>436601
>Since us Shudras can't read scriptures we aren't aware of the rules, so we are free from them
pcT9Q5
No.436603
>>436591
>Tell us more on how to create shudra consciousness.
A very first step I suggest is eating meat
Not for muh protein and shiet but because it immediately dissociates you from dwija larping plus it is allowed even within hinduism for shudras. Shudras are free to eat meat without pashubali
pcT9Q5
No.436608
>>436606
You will find more in puranas and regional scriptures
iztQc/
No.436613
>>436608
If you had to switch religion what religion will you opt for?
jsRv7p
No.436614
>>436595
Makes sense and since ancestral memory, relationship with Gopala and Govinda still exists and our own traditional work we can create fork culture out of the existing stories.
qJF4ss
No.436615
If we go by the rules that online RW regurgitates about varna being based on profession instead of birth, then almost 95% population is Shudra today, because all of them are involved in jobs that requires serving others
jsRv7p
No.436616
>>436603
Good idea and people are more conscious about fitness which will help.
iztQc/
No.436617
>>436615
Do we follow classical verna system today?
We only used to follow it in earliest of early time
pcT9Q5
No.436618
>>436613
Orthodox Kabbalic Judaism, solely for how much they have contributed to modern STEM
qJF4ss
No.436620
>>436617
But this is the logic online RW chaddi troll use
pcT9Q5
No.436622
>>436614
Most importantly try to dissociate Gopala from Krishna
I STRONGLY believe that Krishna's Vrindavan stories of his baal Leela are interpolated and unreliable compared to the aristocrat in mahabharata.
You tell me, does a simple Lover boy slice of life anime protagonist Nanda Gopal suddenly turn into a shounen/seinen protagonist Krishna dwarkadhish who pulls string throughout kurukshetra War, shows his Vishwaroop to Arjuna, narrates bhagwat gita etc
My suggestion to Yadavas is to push this Gopala as your own, separate him from Krishna
iztQc/
No.436623
>>436622
That's believable.
But, it means the Vrindavan tales were made later even after Mahabharata
pcT9Q5
No.436626
>>436623
The tales always existed as local heroes of Vraj, got adapted to Krishna later
Here is my question
None of these leelas are even hinted at in mahabharata
Does mahabharata mention Krishna grew up in gokula? Or that he was the tamer of kaliaa naag?
pcT9Q5
No.436630
>>436622
Shri Ram was always Ramchandra since he was a child
You read about any other Vishnu avtar or hindu scriptural protagonist, none have undergone such a HUGE character/personality change like Krishna
Indra, the moment he was born, in Rig Veda, chugged down Soma and asked his mother "who are the oppressors, who are the oppressed ? Where can I find the evil, tell me mother so that I can defeat them"
My doubt is why is this Krishna of mahabharata never appear in gokula. No hindu character undergoes such character evolution/change like Krishna, speaking from a literary perspective. And there is no catalyst that triggers this
jsRv7p
No.436636
>>436622
>>436626
Yes and as i understood this stories of Gopala or Govinda which resemble more to the day to day lives of my own people are possible to be absorbed into the Krishna stories and this occupational link from vrindavan makes it easier to distill out what could be the original stories of Yadavs.
pcT9Q5
No.436638
>>436636
Yes. You should take this up to people of (jai bhim). Visit r/Rajputana to see how they sneer at you guys merely for worshipping your own god
lftcPM
No.436643
if you don't accept islam, you deserve this
jsRv7p
No.436644
>>436638
I don't need to visit reddit when I was a kid hindus used to mock me and now same people pretend to care about cows. I always found stories gopala stories as if it was our lived experience and never cared about anything else like yadu ancestry or what not.
lftcPM
No.436645
>>436613
Islam
qJF4ss
No.436654
>>436643
Islam has been debunked so many times + it's not compatible with modern way of life and Indian topology
pcT9Q5
No.436666
>>436616
I am especially suggestion to eat eggs. Eggs makes dwija trads seethe most, since eggs can't be offered as bali, and eggs induce least guilt in common consciousness, infact you can argue eggs is more ethical than milk
Dissociating from dwija vegetarianism is urgently needed for Shudras
pcT9Q5
No.436668
>>436644
>now same people pretend to care about cows.
I never understood how can hindu society attack and abuse cow herder (indian)s like Yadavas, Gujjars then turn around and claim to care about cows. I find it extreme cognitive dissonance.
H2IaBk
No.436675
pcT9Q5
No.436682
I am going to sleep now, you guys discuss . We had a great thread today
If you want to ask something to me do it quickly
Xt87mp
No.436683
>>436682
Goodnight anon.
