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do you guys really believe that you are aryans ? I mean in muslims many people still believe that they are descendants of Arabs, Turks, Pashtuns, Persians, Mughals etc. But these are mostly the low-IQ ones. Do rich and middle class Hindus really believe that they are Aryans ?

>>1958(OP)

>Do rich and middle class Hindus really believe that they are Aryans ?

Not in the sense what hitler meant as in genetically. They believe they are aryans because they are Hindus

>>1958(OP)

No such thing as aryan exists today. But sm ppl do have sm genetic connections tk ancient groups tht called themselves aryan and cultural connections but no pure aryan exists. At best you have mutts

>>1958(OP)

>Do rich and middle class Hindus really believe that they are Aryans ?

Not aryan as in the white sense. But the muh aryan traditions lens (Hinduism).

>>1958(OP)

>do you guys really believe that you are aryans?

We don't believe, we know.

>I mean in muslims many people still believe that they are descendants of

>Arabs

My ex girlfriend is.

>Turks

Some are

>Pashtuns

Some are, and still are Pashtuns

>Persian

Very few of them, but some are

Mughals etc.

>But these are mostly the low-IQ ones.

A man with half his family still in Khyber Pakhtun is a Pashtun, because he speaks that languages, is connected to the culture and is ethnically still the same for most part.

I tend to give all the shit i give to Muslims on a general level, but despite that, the vocal retards of your huge community does "not" represent all of you.

Some of you unironically do come from Pashtun clans, or Iranian lineage. Usually it is the one who don't bother making a huge deal of it

>Do rich and middle class Hindus really believe that they are Aryans?

>Rich

Your financial status is irrelevant to culture and lineage or vice versa. Your believe however is a different matter, those who are financially a bit more lie related have better chances of exploring what their Aryan lineage means, and who they are.

>Middle Class

Same as before, only exception would be those of low income families. Still, most Hindus are all familiar with concept of Arya: and don't make a huge issue of it.

Hitler glorified the term as do many cumskins, to solely compensate for lack of a connection with the bloodline, culture and the language. Hence, Hindus don't really care all that much

>>1960

Aryans themself were never pure blooded. Ydna of most Aryans itself had variation (father line) to a small degree but the mtDNA (mother line) went all over the place.

Aryans travelled one place to another, many men married Aryan women and their sons got the big ol Arian/Aryan status, so did children of Aryan who married non Aryan women. Not even a single Aryan in existence was pure blooded at any point of history based on their genetics alone.

However one can say, ethnically what Aryans were like "at that point of time" are not same as what "Aryans" are today. Similar to Aryans when Aryan culture was established, were not same as their predecessor a thousands of years ago.

>>1958(OP)

You realise Hitler chose the stole the larp word from Hindus and Persians, right?

No such word existed in European vocabulary before they read our scriptures.

>>1998

This is true, if I'm not wrong even dna fragments from all over the place from India to Balochistan to sumerian have been found in original proto indo european homeland? Anyway the vedic people themselves looked like our Punjabis and pahadis when they established the vedic culture not like Europeans

>>1998

>Ydna of most Aryans itself had variation

thats not how it works.

Yamanaya who invaded Europe were predominantly R1b.

Andronovo BMAC who invaded Persia and India were predominantly R1a.

Don't get lost in Taxonomy/Nomenclature of Haplogroups. Its the key group which is responsible for the culture associated with any population.

Its similar to how the culture of ancient northern India is solely attributed to Brahmins despite all sorts of communities living in that region, even higher in population than Brahmins. They surely contributed a small part to the overall cultural developement since they too were part of the society but the culture was solely driven by Brahmins.

>>2023

That's his literal point idiot , their mtdna was vastly driven from diff sources.

>>1958(OP)

Yes we hindus are the descendant of ancient greeks and based nazis

>>2025

steppe Aryanism was completely a patrilineal phenomenon. Maternal lines don't matter as far as aryanism is concerned. There are multiple references in Older Upanishads which confirm this.

>>2030

Nobody cares abt ur paternal maternal ching chong bs race is based on genes from both mother and father

>>2032

aryanism is not a race. Only neo-nazi wiggers think of it as some racial concept.

Aryanism is lineage (Y-DNA) + culture (Vedic knowledge)

>>2036

Ok bumpesh

>>2023

>Predominantly

>Predominantly

My case and point. Even as a Brahman myself i see what you mean. But that still does not even manage to change that Aryan themself still were never pureblooded. Most Aryans were the finest example of Varnasankar my manu standards.

>>2036

Literally this, race itself is a retarded concept. You can't loosely bunch two creatures who just look the same as if they are now ethnically the same as well. How retarded would a man he if he said ki haan black cane corso and black panther is one race, but normal leopard and cheers are another?

Why were Wiggers and wanna be Aryans and the neo nazis such retards? Did they not literally take a page of our book and realise what intellectual honesty is? Atleast to yourself?

>>2032

>Nobody cares abt ur PATERNAL MATERNAL

>race is based on genes from both MOTHER AND FATHER

?

Yaar randiputra chamarvanshaj mllecha inbred, why do you retards open your mouth? Reality me log mu me moot dete hai tum jaiso ke. That does not mean you get to lower the total intellect of a board yaar.

>>2030

Source, with actual script and text, and only then followed by translation.

>>2025

Thank you anon, I don't get the logic these moron go by. If maternal dna is not considered then what even is pure and what even is impure? If paternal line is all that mattered then everyone would be pure since it would be the only thing that ever mattered

>>2058

>Source, with actual script

the most important daily duty of a brahmin is to do good karma, ie to sacrifice fire all the time. The duty of the brahmin is to be a householder for A. sacrifice B. getting married C. having a son.

the brahmins say they reach immortality by being a householder who nuts into some woman and gets a "son" (not daughter) out of it. This is taught in all the oldest Hindu texts.

>"A man who has no wife is not entitled to sacrifice." Taittiriya Brahmana

>"Therefore, having found a wife a man considers himself to be, as if, more complete." Aitareya Aranyaka (1.2.5)

>What is the use of dirt and deer skin?

>What profit in beard and austerity?

>Seek a son, O Brahmin,

>He is the world free of blame.

Aitareya Brahmana

This is the ''rebirth'' theory of the brahmin in the original Hinduism:

>"The husband, after conception by his wife, becomes an embryo and is born again of her; for that is the wifehood (jayatva) of a wife (jaya), that he is born (jayate) again by her." law book of Manu (9.13)

>Rg Vedic (5.4.10) prayer: "Through off-spring, O Agni, may we attain immortality."

>"In your offspring you are born again; that, O mortal, is your immortality" (Taittiriya Brahmana, 1.5.5.6).

they equate the sexual parts of a woman with elements of the sacrifice and equate sexual intercourse to a Soma sacrifice:

>Her vulva is a sacrificial altar; her pubic hairs, the sacrificial grass; her skin, the Soma-press; and her labia, the fire in the middle. As great indeed as the world gained by one who performs a Soma sacrifice, is the world gained by one who, with this knowledge, engages in sexual intercourse.

The Brhaddmnyaka Upanisad (6.4.3)

The familial-social duties peaked with procreation.

BUT in late Upanishads the brahmins themselves start shitting on their own dogmas that their own rituals and "sons" are a connection to some better life:

>22.That great, birthless Self which is identified with the intellect and is in the midst of the organs, lies in the ether that is within the heart. It is the controller of all, the lord of all, the ruler of all. It does not become better through good work nor worse through bad work[=karma=rituals]. It is the lord of all, It is the ruler of all beings, It is the protector of all beings. It is the bank that serves as the boundary to keep the different worlds apart. The Brāhmaṇas seek to knowIt through the study of the Vedas, sacrifices, charity, and austerity consisting in a dispassionate enjoyment of sense-objects. Knowing It alone one becomes a sage. Desiring this world (the Self) alone monks renounce their homes. This is (the reason for it): The ancient sages, it is said, did not desire children (thinking), ‘What shall we achieve through children, we who have attained this Self, this world (result).’ They, it is said, renounced their desire for sons, for wealth and for the worlds, and lived a mendicant life. That which is the desire for sons is the desire for wealth, and that which is the desire for wealth is the desire for the worlds, for both these are but desires. This self is That which has been described as ‘Not this, not this.’ It is imperceptible, for It is never perceived; undecaying, for It never decays; unattached, for It is never attached; unfettered—It never feels pain, and never suffers injury. (It is but proper) that the sage is never overtaken by these two thoughts, ‘I did an evil act for this,’ and ‘I did a good act for this.’ He conquers both of them. Things done or not done do not trouble him.

Brihadaranyaka Upanishad 4.4.22

And by the late upanishads,

>The first seven mantras of second khanda of first Mundakam explain how man has been called upon, promised benefits for, scared unto and misled into performing sacrifices, oblations and pious works.[24] In verses 1.2.7 through 1.2.10, the Upanishad asse

>>2083

In fact they even reject the 4 Vedas as meaninful for liberation

>Angiras answered, states verse 1.1.4 of the Mundaka Upanishad, by classifying all knowledge into two: "lower knowledge" (apara vidya) and "higher knowledge" (para vidya).[15] Hume calls these two forms of knowledge as "traditions of religion" and "knowledge of the eternal" respectively.[17] The lower knowledge includes knowledge of four Vedas, phonetics, grammar, etymology, meter, astrology, and the knowledge of sacrifices and rituals.[19] Some manuscripts of Manduka Upanishad expand the list of lower knowledge to include logic, history, Puranas and Dharma.[20] The higher knowledge is the means by which one can comprehend the imperishable (Aksara, Brahman). It is the knowledge of Brahman - the one which cannot be seen, seized, has no origin, varna,[21] eyes, ears, hands, or feet; it is the eternal, all-pervading, infinitesimal, imperishable, indestructible.[22][17]

With the dilution of Aryan blood by subsequent mixing with the Dasyu natives the Aryan Brahmin doctrines turned away from the real world into the "other-worldly" realms which is a key feature of the inferior doctrines of semitic faith systems (the concept of heaven and hell).

>>2083

Almost like different Brahmins had different opinions on yajnas and the metaphysical. Who knew.

>>2058

Are lodu I meant matrilineal or patrineal supposed descent doesn't matter. What matters is the blood from bothfather and mother not exclusively one.

>>2084

Good. Vedas are just books written by rishis which later rishis realised. Bhakti and brahmagyaan is more important.