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Just watched 'What the British did to India' by Althype.
bwgM9M
No.338534
He showed how indian population, industries and wealth actually grew significantly under the British. How bad was British Raj really? Was it really as bad as we are told or was the truth obscured by post independence propaganda by Congress and gandhians?
oFySFL
No.338549
>>338534(OP)
If wealth grew under british then how did we go from being the riches country during mughal era to being the poorest post independence?
SwnFNa
No.338552
>>338534(OP)
"Industries" "wealth" lmao
India is the hardest pill for wignats because india actually succeeded . India split the atom and reached for the moon ,something Britain couldn't
UeWe44
No.338557
bwgM9M
No.338562
>>338549
According to him, our share of global gdp fell because europe, US simply outgrew all others after industrial revolution, absolute wealth of india actually increased.
B9mu81
No.338564
>>338562
Yaar tomato tomato. You need to understand that our share fell because of the exploitation by british.
Amount of damage british did to our society, exploitation is unimaginable. All the wealth produce of india was for british to undertake leaving behind nothing for India.
The best answer against the colonialism was our own success. That within 70 years we became richer, our literacy improved multifold, average life expectancy improved so on. Our infra, everything now is way way way better than british.
There are still few things we could improve but in general India improved post freedom.
B9mu81
No.338567
>>338557
I mean yeah but they became american vassal. British space program went nowhere post their initial LEO tests.
Every time ISRO launches something british seethe naturally.
Comparing to british is pretty much akin to comparing to pakistanis, they are irrelevant, in fact pakis are more relevant.
bwgM9M
No.338576
>>338564
The video is on youtube. Its hour long and he has addressed the points you are making. Indian population grew at unprecedented rate during raj.
gIWgrF
No.338588
As with everything else in the world nothing is objectively good or bad, while the societal and economic rape that they subjected us to should obv be hated but one should also remember that considering the incompetency of pajeet kingdoms we'd have never become a single nation if not for the Brits uniting everyone into hating them. Also the institutions they left behind however incompetent may be can still be celebrated as miles better than what Pajeets had pre-colonization.
gIWgrF
No.338590
bwgM9M
No.338592
>>338569
Not a strong counter tho. Famines also used before brits and you are showing the poorest strata of society (dalits, landless labourers etc) who comprised the largest share of famine deaths. Doesnt tell us if most indians were starving. India actually didnt suffer from any famines during british rule 20th century onwards(bengal famine in 1945 being the exception) due to measures taken by the british.
ka0n0m
No.338593
>>338534(OP)
The only ones who benefited from British rule were UCs and zamindaars.
gIWgrF
No.338596
>>338569
The average jeet was dirtpoor even pre-coolonization.
bwgM9M
No.338597
gIWgrF
No.338598
>>338593
>5000 saal pani nai peea saar
ka0n0m
No.338602
>>338598
Chutiye I'm UC myself.
bwgM9M
No.338618
>>338593
Not just UCs but most. It wasnt just UCs whose population grew rapidly during that timeframe. Sepoys came from nearly all castes. Workers, sweepers, servants employed by brits came from various lower castes so it is incorrect to single out just a few castes.
j7V/Ky
No.338627
>>338602
olelele, tera pani kisne roka?
ka0n0m
No.338632
>>338618
Dunno about that but my family that came from Pakistan punjab where we were able to build a big ass haveli due to all the zamindaari we did under Brits definitely benefitted us until partition after which we had to leave all or assets, ig it's just poetic justice for overworking those chamaars.
ka0n0m
No.338633
>>338627
??
fIq4Db
No.338634
>>338534(OP)
How can anyone who isn't a cuckold defend being ruled over?
fYegiR
No.338638
>>338534(OP)
>How bad
it wasn't bad at all
the congress historical narrative is nothing but a lie, the biggest one of all is the de industrialisation myth.
Indian hand made business all git BTFOd aftwr industrialisation happened in UK, they were mass producing better products at cheap prices, as a result lundian primitive businesses became obsolete, this is termed as "deindustrialisation" kek, as if we had le industry in the first place.
Gandhi was a retarded reactionary, who asked low IQ Jeets to return to hand woven bhikhari tier clothes to le own the British (of course that didn't work)
bwgM9M
No.338639
>>338603
Wikipedia? Idk man
Those who died in Bengal famine in 1945 were poorest landless labourers so idk how large the scale was for famines before that. The poorest bhangis, majdoors were always on the brink of starvation even post independence. They were living off foreign food aid post independence before Green revolution made food abundant.
bwgM9M
No.338658
>>338590
I know. The point is it was being provided to indians by the colonial gobarmint / charitable foreign NGOs.
bwgM9M
No.338669
>>338638
Given how andolanjeevis and dehati vote bank politics work to this day i wont be surprised if it turns out Gandhi's support base was a result of dehatism and the leaders were andolanjeevis of the time. I mean dont they share tendency of accusing others of casteism and exploitation, pushing against free market reforms and demanding gibs.
EpzmSV
No.338671
>>338534(OP)
So what can we conclude? Was the british raj a net positive for India?
EpzmSV
No.338674
>>338567
They became a part of the American empire, many british scientists played significant role in the american space program.
B9mu81
No.338677
>>338674
>lost their sovereignty
>now apart from no space capable rocket they have no independent policies
Yaar okay.
EpzmSV
No.338678
>>338677
Why does it matter? America is free land, it's not like british people are being limited from pursuing their individual interests.
B9mu81
No.338679
Reminder that britain is literally now getting trainers from Indian Air Force due to lack of manpower. Thier last ICBM test loaned from America where america decides how and when they use failed.
It's long century of humiliation for britain and they have zero future.
Most Indians don't care about britain in current day. Other than usual shit when they start just like pakis when they carry out terrorist attacks.
bwgM9M
No.338685
>>338671
Well i am not quick to jump to conclusions but it is a good reminder to be a skeptic in battle of narratives.
B9mu81
No.338688
>>338678
>america is free land
>your entire country is now slave to others with no independent foreign policy nothing
Kek. How buck broken are you guys actually?
>>338638
No shit yaar. 18th century was filled with turmoil for India, our biggest consolidated empire Mughals were pretty much done. Marathas were facing rebillion and in general sub continent was in state of instability to have any such progress from within and hence they lost and whatever industrialization Britain brought to India was to exploit.
Have you guys even read our history? After occupation they literally taxed Indian goods, flooded India with the industrial products manufactured from the resources looted from India and Indians. They forced our farmers to farm indigo, tea whatever leading to food shortages etc.
FFS did you guys even forget the salt march? They literally taxed Indians, indian salt to try and force export of their own goods.
They had complete monopoly over people, our products, everything.
This is what damage did, shudras had entire occupation wiped out, they were forced into farming things like indigo etc. The community which was self sustaining was broken down, entire hindu society didn't recover from it.
Indian villages were self sustaining, yes they were not market competitive but that was not the goal.
And institutions kek, imagine the land of Guptas and praising british for giving you babudom one of the most corrupt systems under which modern day british themselves are suffering.
Go back and study your own history books instead of cocksucking a gora revisionist.
B9mu81
No.338692
>>338685
>battle of narratives
Retard imagine thinking that anyone is better at narratives than British. Even to this day no one comes close to the psyops except americans.
B9mu81
No.338693
>>338688
People who don't understand the hindu society won't understand the damage. Our society went from collaborate, self sustaining and bottom up approach with help from top group to top down.
The apathy you see of normal Indians that 'this is not my job' emerged from those.
British pushed the narrative, diving our people using caste, so on to break this machine.
End product was this complex, corrupt babudom where IAS led bodies are to keep our cities clean, so on but they failed. And normal indian is helpless since it's not their job.
This was the one of the biggest damage by british and we have never recovered from it. It is end product of the economic / colonial exploitation by them. And then their british education system created sepoys who doubled down on the narratives pushed by british and never once stood and thought about questioning what has happened.
bwgM9M
No.338714
>>338692
I am justified in being skeptical. Congressis scored great political mileage by using brand image of gandhi and anti british sentiment. For decades, they pursued soycialism and hindered our growth. You still see these dehati appeasing gibs giving politicians rallying dehatis against UCs and free market reforms. Who is to say independence movement wasnt just a product of dehatism of the time?
hxpPlq
No.338719
>>338714
Congress can be blamed no doubt but that doesn't mean we have to start praising colonialist of all people.
And congress failure is solely due to their proximity to the erstwhile colonialists. And yes even then they did utilize the 'nationalism' narrative, sone ki chiriya memes. We have discussed about it in the past.
And it's also true that deindustrialization happened to many industrliazed cities, etc.
>Who is to say independence movement wasnt just a product of dehatism of the time?
Is this bait? Too much leap of reasoning happening here. A british had elitist thoughts and saw indians with contempt, etc. doesn't mean the exploitation was not happening etc. If you want to align the modern day politics with the british colonialism you are going to have a bad day because you are painting target on your head.
bwgM9M
No.338734
>>338722
Per capita does not increase unless you have means to control your population while the economy grows.
gde8Ig
No.338869
>>338693
>Our society went from collaborate, self sustaining and bottom up approach with help from top group
You are describing feudalism
5Yoeh6
No.338899
>>338549
>being the riches country during mughal era
Liberal Propoganda
We were richer during Hindu era only
hmkQn0
No.338905
>>338534(OP)
Sm good sm bad
hmkQn0
No.338907
>>338899
India was rich gdp wise not enough per capita wise. And India's wealth went down a lot in early 1700s due to civil wars and loot and droughts.
hmkQn0
No.338909
>>338569
Famines are nothing new in india
5SDM/4
No.339032
>>338907
That 'we wuz 30% of world's gdp b4 brits saar' was due to our sheer population. We were like 1/5th of global population back then. Once industrialisation happened in europe and US, they massively outpaced and outgrew all others and our share of global gdp fell naturally. Its not as if our pre british gdp was greater than british era one lol. Average indian definitely had better living standards during british era than any time period before that (especially 1900 onwards due to modern medicine and urbanisation, no famines occured during that time period due to famine prevention measures taken by british administration, the only exception being bengal famine during ww2).
