Manufacturing Delusion
GYVMpL
No.46553
vid rel is how modern manufacturing and assembly of a basic car looks like.
We are no longer in 19th Century.
Industry got automated by European and Japanese Electrical Engineering companies like ABB, FANUC, KUKA, Siemens etc.
7s1dDh
No.46554
>>46553(OP)
come to dhan.
fD3QiB
No.46555
>>46553(OP)
rahega tu pajeet hi
D5PSc+
No.46557
clearly good enough people in vidrel.
GYVMpL
No.46560
>>46557
More people work at some call center lmao.
GYVMpL
No.46564
Industry got completely automated in 70s and 80s.
Infact a lot of modern machinery can't even be built by humans, take for example the computer chip.
Only high precision machines can build these things.
GYVMpL
No.46567
If you look at First World countries they all have declining populations, which is reflective of their social, economic and technological evolution, they no longer need gorillions of humans to slave.
4+gt5o
No.46571
GYVMpL
No.46578
>>46566
My point is the problem with Indian economy and turd world at large is excess population which is completely obsolete in modern age.
Infact truth is India has lagged behind in the transformation, that is why we have a huge unemployable population burdening the state.
The only political ideology that was supposed to deal with this inevitable situation was National Socialism or Fascism.
A scientific Eugenic programs would have both controlled the population and transformed it into an elite caste of aristocrats.
Modern Industry and Technology has made the slaves obsolete.
GYVMpL
No.46581
What Electronics and Robotics achieved in 70s, LLMs would achiever in next few years.
Most office jobs would become obsolete
7s1dDh
No.46583
>>46578
>which is completely obsolete in modern age.
yeah i have been chimping out about greater goals but automation is one thing which make me wonder how things will pan out...
Genuinely scary too many possibilities.
On an intermediate level i imagine a situation where
>most of the manufacturing is automated
>at crucial junction you will have few people with good pay
>resource abundance caused by over production and cheap production
>UBI being norm because in that reality there's no other option desu unless economics change
Not a very bright picture outside few moguls
GYVMpL
No.46593
>>46583
>>most of the manufacturing is automated
It already is, did you see that video? There are more robots in it than humans.
All these problems you are talking about result from leftism that for years propagated muh gibs to teh poor meme.
Today masses are no longer needed, what was needed was a Eugenics programme that controlled population in second half of 20th century.
Imagine a International World of like 500M people, mostly high IQ, High Culture people who no longer have to do any physical job.
Monopolies run Healthcare, Transport, Food production etc, the costs are low due to extremely high productivity.
Instead we have billions of barely literate 70IQ people ready to flood the First world.
GYVMpL
No.46599
Leftists don't understand Capitalism
They mistake the process for the end goal.
The END game of Capitalism is to destroy all inferior completions and optimise the product, its production and supply - Monopolization
We don't need gorillion samosa shops, we need the best samosa shop to win, and then all people should buy only from that shop.
7s1dDh
No.46603
>>46593
>It already is, did you see that video? There are more robots in it than humans.
We are talking about cars here sirs.
We are yet to see same degree of automation in other industry too. That's the point.
What happens when cost of labour is no longer competitive with automation at all - this query arose in my mind when i was seeing news related to workers in iphone assembly units in Tamil Nadu. This whole thing of shifting the production at cheaper and cheaper industry or literally pushing our workers in a slave like situation for some 'manufacturing' and then it made me wonder if it's even worth it - automation seemed like something can be pursued in most of the manufacturing job and whatever rest remains can be well paid.
So good labour rights but lesser jobs. Most will be without leading to UBI.
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And yeah there will be time when elites will wonder if it's even worth - this amount of human resource.
We had a thread in which we explored some possibilities in extreme randoms. Llike using of abundance to kill TFR and reduce population - sweet way to do.
Or something else.
We are far from there desu, far from there. I am uncertain of how far - at what rate we will approaching such a future.
7s1dDh
No.46604
in this thread we kinda explored these ideas including monopoly aspect. if you have time - please go through and if you have any opinion share desu.
GYVMpL
No.46606
>>46599
Same philosophy is needed in biological realm, infact that is exactly how nature works.
We need to weed out inferiority in looks intelligence, health etc - this is the only right way of population control.
In a world full of Robots - the labour class is no longer needed.
GYVMpL
No.46608
>>46603
> We are yet to see same degree of automation in other industry too
Which Industry?
Chemical, Mineral, Petroleum, Electronics - All these Industries are automated.
GYVMpL
No.46614
>>46603
UBI will only work in an Eugenic high IQ, high trust homogenous society.
GYVMpL
No.46620
7s1dDh
No.46621
>>46608
Not there yet sirs - i am imagine a pretty extreme case of automation.
From beedi to agarbatti to any other industry if it exists it is automated with vew few bottlenecks that are humans.
Even those humans probably can be taken care by say humanoid robots.
7s1dDh
No.46625
>>46620
Thing is i actually thought about it - and i realized - maybe only for select few and if elites are benevolent they will allow others for exploration of other worlds
But most of the work, civilization or even building etc. would be taken care of robots so human labour again is not really required.
9OtBPG
No.46634
>>46625
Only an aristocratic population will take exploration seriously.
Human Labour will still exist but it will not longer be majdoors but 13OIQ+ like Scientists, Engineers, Surgeons etc.
7s1dDh
No.46637
>>46634
hmm
something Ilya said, that if you value intelligence about humanity more than anything else you are gonna have a bad time. - something similar.
maybe the most optimistic timeline is that in the era of resource abundant we have a grander goals and expansion, we like humanity more than care about some petty hierarchy...but who knows that's the most optimistic timeline.
ai can do better art but we would value artist work, it can defeat us at chess but we still enjoy chess...
it can do lots of things but ig life would just go on...eventually i think there will be a fusion or maybe just advanced evolution of machines and slow withering away of the last group of genus homo...
Ppv9bj
No.46650
>>46637
you don't understand, a large low IQ slave class will loose all meaning in an automatic world, just look at India 80 crore Indians are living on sustenance, they have stopped working because they are not capable enough to care about high IQ things.
Eugenics is a must.
Or else all this "abundance" will get wasted, long term you will have infrastructure collapse instead.
Watch this video
7s1dDh
No.46651
>>46650
interesting perspective, will check the video later - working desu
AiO/OE
No.46653
>>46650
>they have stopped working because they are not capable enough to care about high IQ things.
you are mistaking it, they haven't stopped working voluntarily, they simply can't do that and that's alright, the reason why the entire continents of africa and america and africa got enslaved and colonised the moment white man stepped on it was because they simply couldn't compete, that's also the law of nature, the strongest man wins
unfortunately in India and more or less this entire principal if forgotten and (((they))) guiltrip others to work for their cause
>Eugenics is a must.
interesting, just iq wise or looks too?
>Or else all this "abundance" will get wasted, long term you will have infrastructure collapse instead.
there is no abundance in first place, if you mean food abundance, then we don't have abundance of food we have abundance of food not fit for ideal consumption just like how their is abundance of human resources
>Watch this video
agreed with everything desu
AiO/OE
No.46654
its not just india btw, even whorope is being filled up with low iq trash, the reason they give for this
>low tfr, population collapse
pure lie
>sympathy
another strategy for guiltytriping
AiO/OE
No.46655
Ppv9bj
No.46656
>>46655
Industrialisation and Social development reduced fertility rates.
AiO/OE
No.46657
>>46656
elaborate
Ppv9bj
No.46658
>>46655
Europe went through an organic process that lasted multiple centuries.
Japan went through a similar process in a lesser time.
Korea and China even lesser time (few decades), this is the reason why their population collapse is so BROOTAL.
AiO/OE
No.46660
>>46658
what prevented india from having such a process
Ppv9bj
No.46663
>>46657
Europe went through a various stages of social, economic and political development, population boom and stagnation was spread out.
You can check statistics.
In India both the population boom was explosive and so will be the stagnation.
In just last 10 years, fertility rate has absolutely nose dived.
AiO/OE
No.46664
>>46663
the tfr of most of the population is still pretty high though, its just the urban middle class which is declining
Ppv9bj
No.46665
>>46660
Indian society and economy completely stagnated under Mughals, numbers show it.
We never had the Renaissance or Age of Enlightenment.
Vast amount of low IQ population is another issue.
AiO/OE
No.46666
>>46665
are you op btw?
Ppv9bj
No.46668
>>46664
Nope. India's TFR is below replacement.
Urban TFR (1.6) is lower that's true but even the rural TFR (2.1) is declining.
There are only 5 states with above replacement fertility.
By the time European countries reached these numbers they were already developed.
And all these numbers are from 2019-20 btw
Ppv9bj
No.46670
For comparison US rural TFR (1.95) is comparable to Indian rural TFR while having > 20x GDP per capita
AiO/OE
No.46671
>>46668
interesting the resons behind this could be?
obviously higher costs of living is one.
Perhaps just the ideas of marriages is being distorted since people get married late so obviously less kids (?)
maybe demonizing of the idea of having kids (?)
AiO/OE
No.46673
>>46670
yep, but I assume that rural population of USA is much lower than India's, that would mean their overall tfr would be less effected by it and would obviously see a much sharper decline than us
fortunately for them they are already developed and ready to be replaced by robots
xCNrzL
No.46674
>>46578
too much work. just not intervening (even stopping welfare) would solve all your prablems. those who are smart would reproduce in sustainable terms while those who aren't will learn from excess death of their own cause gormint isn't providing free sarkari haspatals like they do now.
AiO/OE
No.46675
>>46674
what stops them from chimping out and taking over the sarkaar and hospitals themselves if this were to happen? they already have too high of a population, these gibs are for a reason
xCNrzL
No.46681
>>46675
you take away their vooting rights and hire their strongest as your cannon fodder against them. they will revolt in certain pockets but revolting needs money which they don't have so they will have to die off one by one
eTU88a
No.46800
>>46599
You definitely don't understand capitalism if you think that the best product always wins and monopolies are good in some way
1yP4oS
No.46805
>>46800
Capitalism has solved International logistics, developed best production methods for producing state of the art products which seem borderline magic lmao
You are COPING.
aFw9io
No.46907
Yaar but if automation increase production,make soyciety advanced, increase efficiency, decrease population if it's true than who would consume their cheap mass produced trash if most population is culled due to urbanization and modernization?They mass produce shit so that low IQ masses could consume.If they cull the low IQ dehats than their automation is useless since they not longer need such numbers you can infact set an example of china like how they produced millions of electric vehicles which nobody buys and now it is rotting in some open field.
