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jZvH9o
No.535705
If there are chamars in almost all of the states since dawn. Then who tf was using all that chamdi ?
Oi2yCj
No.535710
>>535705(OP)
Tanners are a very old occupational group.
GoDntI
No.535714
>>535705(OP)
Blue collar jobs are literally the foundation of civilization. Without leatherworker, carpenter, blacksmiths, stonesmiths, potter etc civilization is not possible
Oi2yCj
No.535727
>>535714
Yeah but tanning was regarded as a very low status trade in every society.
IYx1dy
No.535753
>>535705(OP)
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OsEtfn
No.535759
Oi2yCj
No.535788
>>535705(OP)
>Then who tf was using all that chamdi.
I think much of it was usually sold to mochi/cobbler for shoemaking which were later bought by people. Leather was also used for making horse saddles straps and protective gear for armies. Leather has been also used as membrane of temple tablas and war drums.
GoDntI
No.535814
>>535727
Do you think a society can go much far without leather items
GoDntI
No.535824
>>535788
What I have been trying to explain. But hindus honestly don't deserve the services of V4s and avarnas
Oi2yCj
No.535826
>>535814
Did i say so? All i said was that occupations differ in status and value. Do you think a doc has same value as a janitor?
Oi2yCj
No.535830
>>535824
Ab isme heendu kaha se aa gaya?
GoDntI
No.535831
>>535826
Second post was not directed at you pyare but a general opinion of mine
Oi2yCj
No.535834
>>535828
Retard cant you read? Leather is a finished product. Its the production process thats stinky and filthy.
GoDntI
No.535836
>>535828
Like I said, hindus don't deserve services of V4s and antyajas. Absolutely unreal to me that the kshatriya using leather straps for armour, saddle belts, the vaishya using leather for carrying goods in bags, the shudra using leather bags to carry his tools looked down upon the Chamar.
Oi2yCj
No.535845
>>535836
Tanners were looked down upon in every society, medieval europe as well. It was a very dirty trade that the poorest entered into. William the conqueror was illegitimate child of his father a nobleman with a tanner's daughter and he was always insecure about it and was often mocked for it.
oapzMK
No.535856
>>535834
Yeah but it was an animal product. Not like human waste workers or whatever.
>urine rinsed leather
>dung shit
But people did use them, things that went through that. If people who touch those stuff weren't considered fit for touching then same goes for product of those processes. You wouldn't wear a cotton rinsed in urine today? Would you?
Oi2yCj
No.535860
>>535856
No one likes stinky people and places and thats what tanneries have been for much of history.
oapzMK
No.535863
>>535860
But would you wear a urine rinsed cotton or not
Oi2yCj
No.535867
>>535863
If its finished product yes. Leather doesnt rot or stink unlike raw animal hides.
Oi2yCj
No.535907
>>535836
>hindus don't deserve services of V4s and antyajas.
You are assuming UCs were begging for their services. They werent. Antyajas did those jobs for their daily bread and butter just like mazdoors do mazdoori, chuhras clean toilets today while the rich live socially separate lives. Its same as how today poor youth begs gobarmint and private companies for rozgaar to feed himself and his family. Not everyone has it in him to be an employer instead of employee.
GoDntI
No.535911
>>535907
Sure, but eventually the delinking from hinduism was to happen and is already underway
In many places many shudra jobs specifically for ritual materials are getting vacated
Oi2yCj
No.535922
>>535911
We have transitioned from feudal society to a post industrial one so old trades are dead. We now have a new class structure that has evolved from older one just like it happened in west during industrialisation. Former upper classes became the bourgeoisie while peasants became factory workers and the bottomost underclass became white trash. Low class jobs of today are not all the same as those of feudal period.
GoDntI
No.535929
>>535922
Exactly, and this is the eventual death of hindu varna vyavastha and hence hinduism. Without Varna Vyavastha there is no hinduism.
It is a combination of industrialisation and these jobs being stigmatised
dtYhu5
No.535933
>>535929
Good, just cause my gareeb maid is a UC doesn't mean she's above me. What we need is classism.
Oi2yCj
No.535941
>>535929
Varna vyavastha has always been theoretical. What mattered in past and has always mattered was social class and jati(kinship group). Those are here to stay as long as hierarchical society exists.
Oi2yCj
No.535946
>>535933
>classism
Castism is just that actually in south asian context. Current elites from the same old historically powerful groups and lower strata is largely composed of former lower cast groups.
