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A critical piece on the polarity of Indian Hindu Social Media Space and Ground Reality
uAtwvU
No.7980
Aside all this cacophony about oppression, apartheid and pretty much race to the bottom something funny realization happened.
When you look deeper into the Indian social media scene you would think there there doesn't exist any non UC voices, there's no political event associated with those. The sheer dominance of the political voices of UCs make it impossible to find the other voices. From what i know that they are significant enough to create pressure over issues like UGC - something i haven't read or bothered yet.
It's neither about UGC or anything, it's beyond about the political voices - topics and their general audience.
In Indian politics or society, i can't comment on how different are situation on the ground - i myself not so much aware - but my understanding is that there's a facade. It's by leaders who pretend to be saviors of xyz groups and in general I do not think any of them are honest, for the most part sc/st society seems to be very vulnerable compared to the most UCs, most dominant OBCs enjoy significant authority in society. Dominant obcs through their numbers but UCs like Brahmins, Rajputs, Vaishyas, etc. - due to their traditional occupation and role in the society.
People on social media space or city, who are unaware of these lived reality, have polarized view on laws which benefit sc/st community, they have filtered information - where all these laws which are for the benefit of sc/st or the schemes are being completed used against UCs if not particular (indian)s - even though the facts are that most of these are against OBC communities.
The polarity of Indian society, those who have idea know that most of these vulnerable societies do not understand these, many cases the people leading them are UCs or dominant (indian)s who have ulterior motives - like in case of leftists. Due to their societal vulnerability - as usual the enforcement of law is not fair leading to stricter law which do not correct the enforcement issue rather make the situation worse in case of misuse. It results in more polarity against the vulnerable groups. Things hasn't improved for them but the drawbacks are easily grabbing more eyes than anything.
End result is these groups are still looked down upon, justice is unfair in most cases - all sorts of discrimination not withstanding. Bhach, social media and right wing as a while is a proof - the usage of cast-e slurs against the people who are not there to defend themselves, can't defend themselves, it only furthers the leftists politics that indian society is in indeed in its unenlightened phase.
Now comes the social media presence, i have been on internet for decades, navigating through various places - one of the common pattern in Indian social media space is very visible lack of voices from non UC communities. I was surprised that it is the case, thinking maybe it's because UCs are more affluent than others it's possible but i was wrong, there should be more people i wondered it took me a while to realize that in fact that anon space, indian rw space did have dominance of non-UCs they were not vocal about the identity politics, they felt comfortable with Hindutva despite hesitation because to them it was a vehicle above the identity politics - where being Hindu was enough and their focus was on ideas like nation building etc. But there lies the deeper truth which they even did not admit.
They were not comfortable in accepting their identity, non dwija anons, i know personally many of them who are famous and most prefer not to - these are not sc/st I am talking about OBCs, even until recently baniyas etc. Baniyas which are mostly seen favorable among most rw other than trads until recently. An interesting sad picture emerges, something which can break this movement - or maybe make this movement.
For the most part, i think it's good if the UCs become more vocal to the point of the irrationality - it should force the non UC within the rw to splinter and have independent voices, not afraid to be targeted for it however because they will be.
The current state as of now is that, UCs are abusing anyone who is not UC vapid generalization, wignats tier dehumanization is norm in the right wing space - i hope it is accelerated further. This is very important. Because the non-dwija RW are still not able to wake up and counter the current. They are either agreeing with every irrational remark or they are just silent. They have taken part, enjoyed the dehumanization of SC/ST groups - but they should wake up. An alternative voice on their perspective is important now more so than ever.
Waking up is important because UCs themselves are deluded and drinking their own kool-aid. They are not able to understand the undercurrent at all and their collective delusion may lead to their end. It's not just the UCs who made compromises over Hindutva.
This is not about the politics of bjp or congress or anything, it's a pattern about Indians as a whole and I see a pajeet dehumanizing other pajeet for no reason other than to feel good about his own subhumanity. Behaving like unenlightened animals.
Nonetheless Interesting times. And this is just from (indian) perspective, we can write the same on regional variations - over the period of time i have mentioned how the situation is right now but maybe on that too some other day.
fE74Uf
No.7981
tu post kab se karne laga ,
dyaus ko kaha rakha hai
btw, nice post yaara
uAtwvU
No.7982
>>7980(OP)
I want more pieces and articles of opinions of anons from various communities. The rw discourse is too archaic - for the lack of better word.
uAtwvU
No.7983
>>7981
dyaush has been pushed to codejeeting job due to his modibhakti.
>nice piece
thanks but doubt you read it so fast.
fE74Uf
No.7984
>>7982
tu LLM bhi bana rha hai ?
fE74Uf
No.7985
>>7983
title dekh ke samaj jata hu worthy hai ya nahi
uAtwvU
No.7986
>>7980(OP)
Also I don't think leaders leading sc/st community from the sc/st community are doing good job either. The politics of hisab chukta is a pit and yes as mentioned race to the bottom but it's not about those so i will not get into it. I consider sc/st community to be completely leaderless. Their voices, anons are all deluded and occupied with past to look forward in future.
One thing i agree with is, the casual dehumanization of sc/st community persists and is pretty clear among indian social media space as a whole.
uAtwvU
No.7989
All of this is just from my proto-beliefs on as simple as
"How jeet is obsessed with fighting over breadcrumbs instead of realizing that he can bake new ones". The fight would be all of us collective end.
It's myopic, anti progress, a sign that we will falter.
mm025u
No.7990
Nobody cares yaar
My college life will be fucked up
I have seen horrors of fake SC/ST cases in real life
uAtwvU
No.7991
>>7990
This thread is not justification about the policies. I myself is not a big fan of it. I just look beyond those for a bit.
uAtwvU
No.7992
This thread is more about the underlying problem within Hindus which is why we are stuck with policies like sc/st, reservations so on. And a call to face those issues without any facade.
/maSPI
No.7993
>>7992
muh rejerbhation retardation should've never exceeded 5-10% for the SC-STs and dalits. It all started going downhill as soon as rejerbhation became 50%
/maSPI
No.7994
>>7992
Also, (indian) much like ethnicity is far more stronger than religion, as hinduism in of itself means nothing but a bunch collected superstitious & non superstitious beliefs. I only call myself asa hindu under the guise that there's room for agnostic beliefs.
EdEjG7
No.7998
>>7983
>thanks but doubt you read it so fast.
I don't read horizontally, I read photogenic like modi ji
uAtwvU
No.7999
>>7998
amazing
3rRhc8
No.8000
>>7980(OP)
>For the most part, i think it's good if the UCs become more vocal to the point of the irrationality - it should force the non UC within the rw to splinter and have independent voices, not afraid to be targeted for it however because they will be.
this will never happen. why? because indian right-wing isn't a pyramid. what you read on chans and forums like these isn't actually the so called indian right-wing. it's basically, more-or-less, the indian version of the 'alt-right'.
non-UCs who's coasting on the actual hindutva movement aren't fazed by such irrationalities or thoughts. matter of fact, they don't even consider these anons as a part of their cohort. anyone who's ever visited an RSS shakha, knows this.
i remember the early days of rusty's inch. all of this alt-right mimcry started at first as a sick joke. then a meme. and then it became less ironic. sooner or later, it was unironically adopted by trad brainlets as their die-hard political philosophy - meant to shock and provoke, not meant to function.
i don't want to be that guy but you've got a lot of stuff in this exegesis wrong. don't even want to go in all of that. they're your views. just wanted to share one that stood out to me the most since it appears to be your primary motivation for facilitating this shit-show.
/maSPI
No.8001
>>7996
multi-ethnic hierarchies has no place in a country where information spreads easily, precisely because bad actors will always be a step ahead who go on the offence spreading hate as compared to those trying to defend by trying to defend or do damage control.
/maSPI
No.8002
>>8001
by spreading hate, I meant widening the fault lines that are already present, with ease
uAtwvU
No.8003
>>8000
Appreciate the reply anon sirs, my primary motivation is lack of independent critical non-UC voices within rw at obviously irrational pushes. This should be there not due to hatred for UCs rather to add into the current discourse as a basic discussion at bare minimum - it corrects the discourse, improves the outcome.
There's whole raita vs trad angle but i am looking at another perspective - on why there's absence of non-UC voices on obviously issue where they themselves are the target or their own viewpoints independent unrelated - not just uc vs sc/st case but independent perspective, them taking ownership as an equal into the movement rather than either being silent spectator - which is more dishonest or being support of irrational events - which they obviously disagree with but they go ahead to just be part of the group. Them being afraid to be critical or making a stand due to the fear of pushback. Them not be making a stand when sc/st groups are dehumanized rather carrying on with the joke.
And there's additional interesting event of USA. We may joke now or do not take seriously but it didn't bode well for that place or political groups.
You can call me irrational here for this belief but it's clear. Right rightfully takes up the issues and becomes vocal about the attack on UC (indian) groups, it becomes discourse but there are other communities and you do not hear about them. This is totally result of people who are afraid, lack confidence to make a stand for themselves.
/maSPI
No.8005
>>8003
sudras form the bulk of india. why would any politician risk losing that vote bank for speaking anything against this? Besides the non UC sudra politician also counts on the fact that UCs will just forget that he was silent and treat it like a nothing burger, which is what happens a lot of times as soon as something hotter runs the news cycle
3rRhc8
No.8011
>>8003
i'm not talking about hatred for the UCs either, anon. i'm talking about these things very generally. the way indian society is structured, at least in right-wing circles, c@ste realism has become an unrelenting norm.
this realism dictates that every indian must incessantly kang and watch-out for his own kith-and-kin, exclusively. so, from an OBC point of view, it's not that the OBCs afraid of a push-back from the UCs. it's that the irrationalities that fester here either don't impinge on the hindutva non-UC voices OR they're so far removed from a hindutva OBC's political beliefs and talking points that such hindutva OBCs won't even bother to lurk on here.
UCs have nothing to push-back with towards the OBC kek. their sole magnus opus, i guess you could say, are their gorillion threats in relation to leaving this country lmao. whenever anything goes down, UCs threaten to leave. we have an abundance of manpower. how do you think the indian government is going to take it?
other than that, this chan or any other chan, somesuch, has never really grasped or dictated the pulse of indian politics. alt-right forums like these were unanimously against the sc/st act and welcomed its abrogation by the supreme court. the indian government reconstituted the act, took it a step further and won with an even larger majority in 2019. they hailed the farm laws. the state wilted under pressure from the farmers and rescinded its proposals. they hated general EWS reservations for breaching the 50% court-mandated reservation threshold. again, motion passed. same with temple treasury control laws or that temple-entry for women thing. right now, they're shilling against UGC and the shankarcharya's treatment. what do you think is going to happen?
