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Varnasankaras are the biggest threat to Sanatan Dharma
Uuoq7z
No.9161
they are pushing for a new type of degenerate Hinduism where there is no importance of lineage & genetics.
These Varnasankaras are trying hard to decimate our gotras identities and traditions bound to them. The same traditions which preserve the consciousness of our lineages.
Remember: Internal Enemies are always more dangerous than external enemies.
vF1nMi
No.9162
Uuoq7z
No.9163
>>9161(OP)
Alsi I am noticing a trend that V3 (indian)s are pushing a narrative that UC inter-(indian) marriage is fine. Consequently they club themselves as UCs and feel no remorse in marrying the daughters of V1 & V2.
The same Vaishya groups often push unwarranted hatred against V4, so that V1 & V2 develop a false perception that V3 is united with V1 & V2against the (fake) enemy V4.
We need to be aware of such elements as well.
Uuoq7z
No.9164
>>9163
Also*
vF1nMi
No.9165
>>9163
Its the Kayastha (V5) who are marrying V1 girls in large number
Uuoq7z
No.9166
>>9165
Kayasthas are V4. But I am not discussing specific exanples here. I am discussing the principles related to this trend.
Please don't turn this into another c@ste shit-flinging thread.
Notice how I didn't named Baniyas or any other (indian) in my original post in order to avoid any c@ste shitflinging.
mqYyb9
No.9167
>>9161(OP)
Larp or Bait? Also tell your V
Uuoq7z
No.9168
mqYyb9
No.9169
>>9165
>Its the Kayastha (V5) who are marrying V1 girls in large number
True, this has plagued regions like UP, WB and the similar regions. They are not V5, they are V4.
>>9166
If this is not bait, good threads. Part of this issue is due to regional identity crisis recently being in strong favour as well not valuing the core identity of each V respectively. I have noticed recently a strong jattificafication of V1, V2 and so on. It can be easily avoided by teaching our children better but also forming an organising body that will connect each V to its other regional parallels.
This increases dating pool without exactly compromising varnashram. At bare minimum it can reduce it.
rF59Po
No.9170
>>9161(OP)
What if someone can't find a good girl from his own (indian)
mqYyb9
No.9171
>>9168
>V2
V1 here
>Do you suggest something else ?
No, I wanted to confirm if you are actually FP or not.
>What problem do you specifically finf in my posts ?
None in this case. I agree with this, I simply won't have any reason to engage if this was bait or a larp.
rF59Po
No.9172
mqYyb9
No.9173
>>9170
>What if someone can't find a good girl from his own (indian)
Fair, but that implies the entire V is doomed. The best thing to do is look in same V(arna) rather than a subclass of it C(aste) limits daring pool, the V(arna) doesn't. It's fundamentally not even possible for all women in entire V to be bad.
mqYyb9
No.9174
>>9161(OP)
>Internal Enemies are always more dangerous than external enemies.
Are you also aware about the Ardhamlech by any chance?
vF1nMi
No.9175
>>9163
>Alsi I am noticing a trend that V3 (indian)s are pushing a narrative that UC inter-(indian) marriage is fine.
My family is utter (indian)ist, my nani to this day don't eat food made by my mami (because she is OBC)
I hate (indian) system which divides hindu society
But you can't really ally with dalits and shudras who abuse hindu gods daily, wants to annihilate UCs
UCs and forward (civilized) OBCs can unite to form a singular hindu identity
> Consequently they club themselves as UCs
Then what are we?
>feel no remorse in marrying the daughters of V1 & V2.
Unlike dalits we don't have gib dotter fetish
And marriages happen both way round, if V1 V2 are fine with it then what's the problem here
>The same Vaishya groups often push unwarranted hatred against V4, so that V1 & V2 develop a false perception that V3 is united with V1 & V2against the (fake) enemy V4
Sure mate, it was the V3 who ordered V4s to target V1/V2
Uuoq7z
No.9176
>>9170
if you are V5 then you should consider marrying non-Hindu females as well.
A rule of thumb: If you can't find good girls in your c@ste then make sure to not marry above your V class. Always marry downwards or outside of religion and make sure your immediate progeny marry within your own c@ste so as to properly absorb good genetics while securing the c@ste identity of your future generations.
mqYyb9
No.9177
>>9163
>The same Vaishya groups often push unwarranted hatred against V4, so that V1 & V2 develop a false perception that V3 is united with V1 & V2against the (fake) enemy V4.
I will partially disagree. I have seen cases where the V3 are exceptionally defensive of the V4. I will also say this is not a specific issue that is pertaining to V3, their is clearly a problem that is not a monolith which needs to be addressed with no preconceived bias.
rF59Po
No.9178
>>9176
What is V1 and V2
Uuoq7z
No.9179
>>9174
I could make a good guess about what it could be. I think if you wish to absorb good genetics (say German etc) into your c@ste then you may marry a girl from that genetically gifted target group and make sure that the marriage ceremony remains a private affair, i.e. Do not invite too many relatives from your c@ste in order not to normalize such kind of marriages among your c@ste. The next step would be to ensure that your immediate children & grandchildren strictly marry within your own c@ste so as to regain the cultural/(indian) identity/consciousness.
Just ensure that the target group (the female of which you want to marry) doesn't belong to a V level above yours.
Uuoq7z
No.9180
Uuoq7z
No.9181
>>9177
I do not disagree with you.
The V3 I was referring in my original post mostly belong to urban modernized upper-middle class who align with the current "Hindutva" politics of RSS.
The V3 in Tier-2 and Tier-3 cities are still very traditional.
rF59Po
No.9182
>>9180
What do those terms mean
mqYyb9
No.9183
>>9175
>My family is utter (indian)ist, my nani to this day don't eat food made by my mami (because she is OBC)
I can confirm having seen similar with many V3 in person. Not denying OP's claim, he like is here to see if any one group is responsible. It can be rooted to elite of society and V3 themself are financial elites, but that doesn't make you some kind of monolith. Majority of us realise you are not some evil entity. It's a little more complex than this.
>I hate (indian) system which divides hindu society
>But you can't really ally with dalits and shudras who abuse hindu gods daily, wants to annihilate UCs
C system is fine, it exists in all society. We all can, you and I can treat each other with some form of dignity despite being different V's as a whole. As you said, V4 have been Psyop'd by a number of V5. Majority of V5 come from the combination of two factors
Shudra who split into ati Shudras and sat shudra, and former V1, V2 and V3. Former V(1-3) ended up mixing with V4- (ati Shudras) to give rise to groups who hated Dwijas with passion, like you mean and OP. This led to crisis like Mopla revolt and many more, even Kashmir incident can be strongly rooted in this.
>UCs and forward (civilized) OBCs can unite to form a singular hindu identity
>Then what are we?
One of us. Still, if you believe in Varnashram i see no reason to out(indian) you.
>>9175
>Unlike dalits we don't have gib dotter fetish
Also seconded, I have seen cases of V3 being against Dwija marrying LC's. I have also seen a few cases of Neo V3 who believe in the Psyop that varnasankar is a good thing. I can say the same about V2 aligning with the neo Buddhist values. Doesn't make V2, V3 monoliths, their are good and bad in all groups including mine.
>And marriages happen both way round, if V1 V2 are fine with it then what's the problem here
All of them are bad from an orthodox pov. We can not remove them entirely, however we can minimise it, control it and stabilize it.
>Sure mate, it was the V3 who ordered V4s to target V1/V2
It's clearly case of fallen elite groups that were kicked out of Dwija that mixed and merged with ati Shudras V4 and non Hindus entirely getting benefit of liberalisation movement. Thanks to the egalitarian notions that were spread by the said gobermint at the time.
It could also be a rich vs poor thing, where elite figures just see benefit from this over all, even more so if Varnashram specifically scares them.
S6Tj3u
No.9184
>>9161(OP)
A lot of it is perpetuated by bhangi janta party and chaddhi goons since they wanna cosplay as dharm rakshak while trying to demolish all prospects for the UCs actively trying to ruin our future generations and demolish whats left of varna vyavastha. We need a unopologetic hindu leader like subhas bose or balasaheb again, If we don't then UC is done for Bhangi janta party will carry out the leftover work of khangress to end hindu society and will bring chamar + katua + christcuck secular lundian regime.
Uuoq7z
No.9185
mqYyb9
No.9186
>>9176
>if you are V5 then you should consider marrying non-Hindu females as well.
Agreed, with V4 as well. Law of Vivaha Samskaram is only limited to Dwija which gives an edge to all V4 and V5. To marry all women who are not Hindus, ideally the hierarchy will be all V4 to marry women of V5, and all V5 to go marry women of non Hindu families. This does two things, to create larger number of Hindus that doesn't break principles of faith but also create streamlined inflow of generic diversity.
>A rule of thumb: If you can't find good girls in your c@ste then make sure to not marry above your V class.
Agreed.
>Always marry downwards or outside of religion and make sure your immediate progeny marry within your own c@ste so as to properly absorb good genetics while securing the c@ste identity of your future generations.
I had a picture from a scripture that makes a very clear statement that it is fine to see a very rare case of Varna sankar under two conditions. One of them being marrying a woman who is of the immediately lower Varna, which may be the Dharma Shastra,
another scripture that I can not remember (I will need time to find it mare) that it can be countered by marrying within your Varna for 9 generations, even progeny marrying going back to immediately marry someone in same V will lead to recovery of innate nature and natural affinity (guna) again. Please share your take as a V2
Uuoq7z
No.9187
>>9183
>treat each other with some form of dignity despite being different V's as a whole
this is most important.
rest is temporary politics.
V4 don't hate anybody due to traditions. They do a few things temporarily due to political influence of V5.
Now V5 are a different thing. They hate V1,V2 & V3 on a traditional basis. Ambedkar/Periyar and created that tradition.
Uuoq7z
No.9188
>>9184
>balasaheb
He is V4 andmarried his son to V1. He allowed Dawood Ibrahim to rise in Mumbai so that a enemy can be created to unite normie office going Hindus.
He also took false credit for Ram Janmbhoomi movement.
He was just charismatic and many people thus fell for it.
mqYyb9
No.9189
>>9179
>I could make a good guess about what it could be. I think if you wish to absorb good genetics (say German etc) into your c@ste then you may marry a girl from that genetically gifted target group and make sure that the marriage ceremony remains a private affair, i.e.
I agree, for instance it makes sense if we see a set of qualities that show good cognitive ability as well as decent chunk of pattern recognition trait in a woman, with satvik or similar traits, it should be in rare cases ok to marry a V1.
Similarly a V2 should be allowed to marry a girl with verifiable good bone density, decent built for a female, pain tolerance, sharp reflexes and such factors as well.
>Do not invite too many relatives from your c@ste in order not to normalize such kind of marriages among your c@ste.
Strongly agreed.
>The next step would be to ensure that your immediate children & grandchildren strictly marry within your own c@ste so as to regain the cultural/(indian) identity/consciousness.
Also agreed, this has been my belief for a few years as of now.
>Just ensure that the target group (the female of which you want to marry) doesn't belong to a V level above yours.
Very well put, however to also act, V1, are small in numbers, V2 are small in numbers and so are V3, (former being smaller than later in number) thus the best thing to do is find a good woman from a Varna below yours, or outside Varna as a whole.
My strongest belief is that V4 should start with marrying as many V5, avoid marrying anyone who is close relative and V4 and V5 need to marry outside their religion and race as whole. Their is nothing in smriti or shruti that has any consequences to this, allowing them much higher generic diversity.
rF59Po
No.9190
>>9188
Balasaheb Thackeray is a shudra?
mqYyb9
No.9191
>>9180
I think he genuinely doesn't know.
>>9181
>The V3 I was referring in my original post mostly belong to urban modernized upper-middle class who align with the current "Hindutva" politics of RSS.
I have seen some cases of "sindhi" arguing with me on how Dalit are also Hindu, when dalit by its own classification not a Varna or a (indian). It can mean anyone who kicked out of Varna, as well as anyone who was never part of Varna fold as a whole.
We clearly were doing a good job if we did any thing to forget people who may have been part of prior top three Varnas (this is arguable, if they were, but there are strong evidence to this) what I think is idea that they are evil people that we removed from our ranks and they continued to devolve further is based on Gypsy migration and how they interacted with other nations.
Thus mixing with V5 should be avoided, and I do think V4 are better of marrying Mllecha, or to put it better, white people or even other races. This is idealistic however.
S6Tj3u
No.9192
>>9188
Atleast he had total death policy for katuas unlike chodi ji
mqYyb9
No.9193
>>9182
V1 are Brahmins
V2 are Kshatriya
V3 are Vaisya
V4 are Shudra
V4X are Sat Shudra
V4Y are Ati Shudra
V1 to V4 are Savarna
V5 are Avarnia (Ex-Savarna+Ati Shudra)
rF59Po
No.9194
>>9193
What are your thoughts on V1 and V2 mixing?
mqYyb9
No.9195
>>9187
>this is most important.
>rest is temporary politics.
>V4 don't hate anybody due to traditions.
I second this strongly. We have no reason to fall for delete this remove that meme. Their are very clearly some bodies and powers are okay who have saturated groups on both political means.
Between Hindus who want to get rid of Varna in hope of getting rid of untouchability and save the faith and Ambedkarites who want to her rid of faith itself to get rid of untouchability, a lose lose system pertains for all of us.
>They do a few things temporarily due to political influence of V5.
>Now V5 are a different thing. They hate V1,V2 & V3 on a traditional basis. Ambedkar/Periyar and created that tradition.
I find it fascinating that Periyar is a V3 from what I have seen, but would be a Varnasankar himself. A very clear societal crisis pattern has shown itself in regions where UC's went committing a bunch of ICM, such as Bengal. Only exception to this was V1 and they got ostracised eventually.
Interestingly, figures like Phule, Periyar, all use north to UC synonyms with idea of invasion. Not going to derail threads with who believes in what, however haplogroups are not monolith in V's as a whole.
R1 haplo persisted in mahar groups as well as Brahmins, meaning either Brahmin originated from all racial groups and merged with each other to be who we are, same with warriors and merchants, OR, we all kicked some Kshatriya, Vaisya, Brahmins who were inherently evil and didn't want them to keep mixing blood with us.
mqYyb9
No.9196
>>9188
I notice a strong repeating case of all Hindus are being presented with charismatic figures who are selling them ideas that contradicts the large scale orthodox views we have held for thousand of years, passing those beliefs as barbaric. In a way it's a choice between slowly poisoning the religion vs ending it swiftly with a blade, and I don't like either of those options. I reject both of them.
mqYyb9
No.9197
>>9192
We can agree with good things people did while also criticising their bad actions. I approve of what modi did in Gujarat riot but i don't agree his pro ICM or kneeling for BR bedkar takes, as if it's not killing this nation slowly. People always have historically hoped for tilting faith in a way, or the culture and tradition in a way that puts them at higher end of political landscape.
mqYyb9
No.9198
>>9194
>What are your thoughts on V1 and V2 mixing?
As a V1 myself i would prefer to avoid it, not because I dislike V2, I don't have any reason to say no to a beautiful woman who is V2 except for fact it contradicts my beliefs. Same way i hold this standard to V2 men, who will likely say no to V1 women as well in most cases.
I believe Anuloma (with one Varna gap) should be acceptable in very rare cases, under the exception cases are met. For instance the said V2 woman has no trait or quality that favours a V2 and all that aligns with principles of V1, i think it is fine.
Similarly i think V2 marrying V3 woman who has all qualities of Kshatriya, should be ok. I believe pratiloma, or marrying women above our Varna should be avoided, and Brahmins have no one to marry above them, so they should even try to avoid Anuloma as well, unless it is exceptionally rare case. This is my belief that confirms to both manusmriti and dharmashastra.
Uuoq7z
No.9199
>>9189
A caveat, many V4 c@stes have still their gotra identities intact. e.g. Jats, Kambojs, Rors etc. Those who still have these identities alive should proceed more carefully than those who don't (e.g. Kurmis, Kunbis, Saini, Yadavs etc).
We don't want to destroy or weaken the traditions of V4, the same traditions (gotras) make them distinct from non-Hindus.
Uuoq7z
No.9200
>>9194
V2 may at times be rarely allowed to marry their genetically exceptional Females with V1s.
V1s should practice utmost restraint into marrying outside their V class. If V1 falls, the whole world will get destroyed and the humanity will perish.
vF1nMi
No.9201
Uuoq7z
No.9203
>>9201
see picrel, In past there were many V1s who fell off from the mainstream Vedic society. But V1s still fluorished.
As long as Vedas are protected, nothing will harm the Aryas.
mqYyb9
No.9205
>>9199
>A caveat, many V4 c@stes have still their gotra identities intact. e.g. Jats, Kambojs, Rors etc.
A very good point. I have noticed mahars and many such groups are very inbred. V5 suffer from inbreeding the most, and while some V4, a lot of them kept gotra system, some didn't. I find it wise to use lack of Vivaha Samkaram, which is very strongly focused at V1, V2, V3 as a loop hole to fix generic bottle neck.
My idea is if we manage to improve dating pool of V4, cut their ties from V5 (V4 should take the daughters of V4, but refuse to give them their own daughters, as V5 also see it as fetish to marry daughter of V4, i want to protect them as savarna as well) this would allow less chances of disease, healthy problems, as well as chance that their is a lack of moral symmetry.
>Those who still have these identities alive should proceed more carefully than those who don't (e.g. Kurmis, Kunbis, Saini, Yadavs etc).
Also agreed. I strongly think, Gotra system must be preserved since ideally everyone benefits from marrying within their Varna and avoiding their Gotra
>We don't want to destroy or weaken the traditions of V4, the same traditions (gotras) make them distinct from non-Hindus.
I also second this firmly. If i had to treat one of the groups as filter it would be one that don't have a gotra system feeling comfortable in marrying outside faith. I keep repeating this but lack of weight from Vivaha Samskaram is a big factor here. V4 don't have an "obligation" in the same way other groups do to marry within their own Varna, as long as they don't marry above it.
This leaves entire world and it's women suitable as an option. There is also chance cases of the Vritya groups. Some Kshatriyas would be and could have fallen in past. It makes sense of they are more careful about marrying outside their specific sub (indian) as well.
If they reach some form of consensus where a large group can be reverted to its status (we are giving false status to some tribals, under those circumstances I think it is fine to restore some fallen Vritya groups to Kshatriya, as they are more qualified) some Vritya can continue to marry other Kshatriya once more, it can't be pushed, as it also requires acceptance from the other Kshatriya groups as well.
mqYyb9
No.9206
>>9200
>V2 may at times be rarely allowed to marry their genetically exceptional Females with V1s.
Reasonable, while it is pratiloma if all such traits aligns I think that makes sense, in the term that such a woman would be detrimental to the V1 lineage in a fundamental way.
>V1s should practice utmost restraint into marrying outside their V class. If V1 falls, the whole world will get destroyed and the humanity will perish.
Also true, which might actually have been the case to some degree. V1 have been socially a sucessful group but the Endogamy has been preserved, making us still a minority for large part.
My strong belief is V1 should do their best toake sure they avoid region lock. Best case thing to do would be Gauda V1 should marry other pancha Gauda V1 and Pancha Dravida 1 should marry other Pancha Dravida V1, avoiding region lock and 10 generations do common gotras.
mqYyb9
No.9208
>>9203
>In past there were many V1s who fell off from the mainstream Vedic society. But V1s still fluorished.
>As long as Vedas are protected, nothing will harm the Aryas.
I concur. We have seen loss of many branches, in my experience some saraswat that I have close ties with believe that seers can always rise if the lineage and vedas are protected with time. It will be an organic process. I also firmly believe in the de-varnafication of corrupt V1's to remove them from influence of any form in the subject on a communal consensus.
Uuoq7z
No.9209
>>9205
>where a large group can be reverted to its status
it would be based on the merits (to be decided by a regional or interested V1 sub-group), about their loyality for the Vedic faith system. The same way many invading forces (Alchon Huns, Sakas etc) were absorbed into V2 in the past by different V1 sub-group according to their merit (loyality).
But I believe that in the meantime it would be much easier and more aligned to the modern social system that the good genetics of non-Hindus (incluing these Vrityas) should be absorbed by V4 and even V3 to a larger extent than the current rate. We need to prey on the non-hindu Two-Xs with good genetics, especially those belonging to the smaller affluent strata .
I made a relevant thread here to further discuss these things-
https://bharatchan.com/board/rta/thread/1636
Apart from that,
I also have noticed that V3s still have good a lot of capacity to sanskritize non-hindu females into proper Hinduism but the same is not true for V4, so it becomes a more riskier business for them to absorb non-hindu females and retain their c@ste consciousness in later generations.
mqYyb9
No.9210
>>9209
>it would be based on the merits (to be decided by a regional or interested V1 sub-group), about their loyality for the Vedic faith system.
Agreed and fair.
>The same way many invading forces (Alchon Huns, Sakas etc) were absorbed into V2 in the past by different V1 sub-group according to their merit (loyality).
Also fair. I have some doubts on if Alchons and huns were absorbed but i do know Sakas were absorbed since smriti directly mention this to a certain degree.
>But I believe that in the meantime it would be much easier and more aligned to the modern social system that the good genetics of non-Hindus (incluing these Vrityas) should be absorbed by V4 and even V3 to a larger extent than the current rate.
Completely reasonable. In my experience the lower we go in Varna the tougher it gets to make it an organised system. The regions of V4 is the hardest to make sense of due to lack of gotras in large chunk. V5 are beyond redemption in terms of aptitude as well political beliefs. A lot of them have been poisoned and V4 need to be very of them. If V4 ancestors refused to absorb them in their ranks, their was a good reason for it.
Consider my remark regarding Gypsies as the reference. It's even sensible for V4 to skip the marriage to women from V5 entirely to marry women of other races in some cases. The issue needs to be addressed on both ends, from the top V1 breaking region locks to marry other V1 as well as V4 and V5 marrying women of the other faith and races.
>We need to prey on the non-hindu Two-Xs with good genetics, especially those belonging to the smaller affluent strata.
Agreed, V4 making the bulk of society makes it very easy if they are loyal to cause. This is very important because not only it aligns as value of scriptures (unlike what many V4 believe, they are only one with free access to muslim and well as christian women, even non Indian ones)
>I made a relevant thread here to further discuss these things-
Interesting, would check it out.
>Apart from that,
>I also have noticed that V3s still have good a lot of capacity to sanskritize non-hindu females into proper Hinduism but the same is not true for V4,
Also agreed, some V4 (case by case) show a very strong affinity for traditional values if it is not detrimental to them or if they see it as being reasonable to them.
>so it becomes a more riskier business for them to absorb non-hindu females and retain their c@ste consciousness in later generations.
Also true, we can use V4X and V4Y formulae again, since it was never fixed in stone. We can classify those that can maintain class based consciousness, Jatts being excellent example vs those beyond help at this point such as Kurmi. Similar parallel can be drawn with Kamboja, vs Paraya and so on. The rough guidline is to do it very slowly so any potential damage can be analysed and fixed.
Uuoq7z
No.9211
>>9208
>de-varnafication of corrupt V1's
for me V1 males can never be corrupt unless specifically marked by a trad V1 leader to be excommunicated.
V1 females can never be corrupt as long as they marry non-corrupt V1 males.
I have no problem with V1s aligning to different modern ideologies because its important to participate in order to dominate.
Uuoq7z
No.9212
>>9210
>V5 are beyond redemption
I don't consider them as our kin. Vedic religion is not a charity foundation. Quite the opposite its a very elitish religion.
vF1nMi
No.9213
>>9211
What about V1 men marrying non V1 women? Such marriages will increase only cuz V1 women are the prime targets of 'those' groups, and this will lead to more V1 men going after other community girls as they can't find one in their own
0zgGtf
No.9215
>>9162
+1
It's so funny seeing LC's cry about (indian)ism when the only thing they dream about is marrying an UC Guy/Girl
also Fuck LoveJihad nggrs though
I wish i could purge them
mqYyb9
No.9219
>>9211
>for me V1 males can never be corrupt unless specifically marked by a trad V1 leader to be excommunicated.
That is the idea that i have here. My point with this idea is that some V1, even if they all are a majority within majority of reads, execute the same degree of influence on other V's as the rest of us.
It could be due to both, values they were raised with in neo-liberal society, vs the hunger for the acceptance of non-kin folk who want their head on pikes. You can see this with kashmiri and the Bengali brahmin community, rarely you can see this in some Dravida brahmin communities as well.
Unless their Varna is removed they would also be free from any form of backlash from militaristic groups and would hold power against them, that is net bad as a whole. Majority of V1 will also see eye to eye on this subject, which i also say not from personal belief but after long discussion with other V1 with similar traditionalist and also orthodox views.
>https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/dehradun/jyotirmath-shankaracharya-expels-rahul-gandhi-from-hinduism-for-his-remarks-on-manusmriti-in-parliament/articleshow/120865335.cms
KEK, very based. We need to find some form of officiating body which makes it impossible for those who can't identify with atleast one of the dharmic shakhas as ex-hindu or non hindu. If we don't do it, we will fear increased possibility of political appropriation of faith.
>V1 females can never be corrupt as long as they marry non-corrupt V1 males.
While i partially agree to this, their is also a very strong case to be made about saturation of the Psyop against traditionalist beliefs. We can see the hyper liberal societies, the women tilt in the favour of power.
Similar cases exist in all V's but a compliant sex which is known for doing as it is told, can and will fall to Psyop faster than male V1 will. This is also true for V2 and V3, the recent cases of UGC game a lot of women realistic check on what V5 think of them.
>I have no problem with V1s aligning to different modern ideologies because its important to participate in order to dominate.
I also agree with it, but I think if a V1 specially makes remarks on a social scale that renders the faith crippled, its a bad look over all. Such lineages shouldn't be allowed to mix with the rest of carry the clan name. They are themself a very small minority, which happens to be vocal the same way most neo liberal lefties are. But if it is not removed or curbed on early stages, we will be left followed over a century.
This acts as a different for women as well, since women too coming from V1, V2 or V3 families want to claim and take pride on lineage without facing ostracisation while at same time they want to have their freedom to do as they please. We are to a certain degree, result of values that are fed to us as we grow, removing those little parameters benefits no one.
mqYyb9
No.9220
>>9212
>I don't consider them as our kin. Vedic religion is not a charity foundation. Quite the opposite its a very elitish religion.
Firmly agreed, which is why I have always had a sour view on actions of sampraday such as the ISKON. Lineage is one of strong factors. I also have very mixed feelings on concept of ghar wapsi.
Abrahamics converting to Hinduism seems like a happy little end of story. However their can be a list of severe consequences. A large majority of kanyakubja Brahmins I know also report all of the christians and muslims who are taking the ghar wapsi route are adjusting themself to the Varna status as they please.
This is still not to a degree when it is visual, but allowed to continue we will be infiltrated by enemies to the brim. The faith can sustain but the people won't if this comes to fruit. This it is absolutely vitan, Hindus on all levels, V1, V2, the V3 and V4 do their best to isolate and even do their best to ostracise the converts trying to come back "home".
A large majority of Muslims, who are now taking Hinduism are doing so for the cultural aspects of it rather than lineage, duty and order which is the fundamental pillar of dharma. Like you said, we are not charity society, it shouldn't be or it will end up not being the faith it is, as was the case for certain christian subjects.
mqYyb9
No.9222
>>9213
>What about V1 men marrying non V1 women?
Must be avoided, as much as possible. We are not above the law of Shastras either, if we start to treat ourself as an exception it defeats the purpose as well.
>Such marriages will increase only cuz V1 women are the prime targets of 'those' groups,
Absolutely agreed, V1 women are factually a target for such groups. This is true for both the V1 and V2 due to social impact of such groups. At the same time, we can't fix one wrong with another wrong.
I don't support violence but in days where honor killing were normal, these things were far less prominent. On a much more reasonable ground, this is what social media feeds us but simply is not true.
As i made my point, women lean where power is and V1 doing their best to saturate as many of the administrative roles as possible, as if their life depends on it, with research fields, ranks in University will change it, even if slowly. Too many V1 feel lax nowdays, not realising the burden they carry, and their failure is not a personal failure.
>and this will lead to more V1 men going after other community girls as they can't find one in their own
Completely true. It's not beyond reason to seek a partner who aligns with dharma when you can't find a woman in your Varna, specially in the age where women are leading harshly towards the liberal left. It's still unlikely that women in your Varna as whole could be corrupted.
The true issue is finding a woman who aligns with your morality, having that moral symmetry as well as you liking her as a person. That is what leads to reduced dating pool. This too is curated by expanding your daring pool behind a region lock, which is both good for your generic diversity as well as faith.
If all fails, then it makes sense to find a woman, who has all similar good qualities, intellect, spirituality, chastity, dignity, patience regardless of her Varna. That also makes you free to see a woman, who is beyond race but will be willing to follow your faith (blood of your blood law) as long as your progeny married within Varna again. They must be raised as your Varna, never allowed to feel distance from it.
mqYyb9
No.9223
>>9215
We all wish we could purge them. Fetishization if Dwija women got bad to a boiling point. Again the issue boils to women not being able to voice their own fear and anger because goverment and the law will punish them. Their is this idea that all of them are against us but that's not true. If even a small degree of traditionalist women exist they must be found and protected.
Additionally, this brings us to the core of the issue which is predatory parasites on the sub con. We have had 15 mob lynchings of Muslims last year. It is clearly a very low count compared to the better years over all.
If we collect the data from NGO, we see the death count at which we have been killing them (outside the state violence that is funded by goverment or covered by the legal bodies, which we all know) the count has not managed to exceed 100, which is less than 1 dead Mllecha each three days. As it was discussed in past on some threads the ideal count should be 1 each day, or atleast average of 300+ each year.
Lack of V1's saturation in all of the administrative group who are loyal to cause is part of issue. The lack of V2 in police is not as bad. We have not seen enough loyal V1 making it to the admin or similar ranks which allows them to protect the vanguard and dirty workers.
Hopefully this will be a much better year and we will see a higher death rade of invaders. If things go well we should be able to see atleast death of 100 muslims by the end of March alone.
Uuoq7z
No.9224
>>9219
>Unless their Varna is removed
being a V2, I don't consider myself eligible to decide on that. I would accept without any questions whatever the religious authority of V1 instructs/commands.
>V1 specially makes remarks on a social scale that renders the faith crippled, its a bad look over all
I personally have a LOT of tolerance regarding this. I have no problems with V1 male/females like picrel. I am quite "open minded" regarding these things.
UaQJ9J
No.9225
>>9220
>ghar wapsi
If the male line is R1a Hindu descendant then I don't see any problem with it. But the converts should join their respective V class, in case of doubt they should strictly join V4 only.
>taking the ghar wapsi route are adjusting themself to the Varna status as they please
A trad V1 marriage happens only after ascertaining the Pravara info. New converts lack that. A V1 sho is marrying his daughter to a newly revert V1 should stress on finding out the pravara info of the Groom before finalizing any union.
A more scientific method that could evolve in future (when genetic testing b ecomes cheap enough) would to match thr Y-DNA of reverted Groom against the shared Y-DNA of his claimed gotra/sub-gotra. If it matches then he is telling the truth and it is completely legit to marry your daughter to him.
>Like you said, we are not charity society, it shouldn't be or it will end up not being the faith it is, as was the case for certain christian subjects
I don't mind people adopting Hinduism through joining the V4.
UaQJ9J
No.9226
mqYyb9
No.9227
>>9224
>being a V2, I don't consider myself eligible to decide on that. I would accept without any questions whatever the religious authority of V1 instructs/commands.
Yaar anon 
thoda zyada ho gaya kekekek, if still not bait then I think it becomes this one thing where each respective V needs to form its own governing body, with some form of solid structure to it. Again, a society that doesn't go and punish bad actions will end up rewarding it inactively.
>I personally have a LOT of tolerance regarding this. I have no problems with V1 male/females like picrel. I am quite "open minded" regarding these things.
I am not. Honor killing were good times and getting rid of priestly figures who actively try to sabotage it is based. Think about it as if the next post turned out to be a snowball effect where it happened to be a trans person, who is clearly a biological female.
Their will be a public backlash for this. No group is beyond moral judgement. It is partially why V1 have been removed from their rank, as you said, in past. Being leftist in terms of wishing for a society that rewards merit to all equally or say avoids saturation of money among elites is a different thing.
Kanging on your lineage purity and acting against all its belief is pretty stupid. Such a woman will make a lineage fall. Ideally they are dead, less ideally removed from the group, communicated and ostracised.
mqYyb9
No.9228
>>9225
>If the male line is R1a Hindu descendant then I don't see any problem with it. But the converts should join their respective V class, in case of doubt they should strictly join V4 only.
Agreed.
>>taking the ghar wapsi route are adjusting themself to the Varna status as they please
>A trad V1 marriage happens only after ascertaining the Pravara info.
Correct.
>New converts lack that.
Issue is it's not that hard to look up pravara or even fabricate it. Which is why I firmly believe unless, say a V1 who even did convert many generations ago, or a V2, should become a V4 if they return to home. This can not be left so convenient people can leave willy nilly, the weight of leaving it should crawl on their back.
>A V1 sho is marrying his daughter to a newly revert V1 should stress on finding out the pravara info of the Groom before finalizing any union.
I am personally oppose reverting as a whole but if we have to do it should be ideally, kept close to non existent. Reversion and allowing it to be a normal allows people to have impression their are no consequences to quitting the faith. It is one of few things that preserved faith as a whole to this day.
>A more scientific method that could evolve in future (when genetic testing b ecomes cheap enough) would to match thr Y-DNA of reverted Groom against the shared Y-DNA of his claimed gotra/sub-gotra.
Strongly agree. Gotra can easily act like Haplo while Pravara can act like subclad or branch of the said cubclad. I have worked on this with a friend and their is some degree of consistency with few exceptions. Fortunately haplo does not change even after many generations, which does provide some coherence to process.
>If it matches then he is telling the truth and it is completely legit to marry your daughter to hi
My issue here is, still the idea of accepting the converts back due the fact majority do convert would have been fundamentally V5 as they would have been kicked out of Varna. It is a generalised statement, but since gahr wapsi does exist, this is still better alternative than indiscriminate "first come first serve" system.
>>Like you said, we are not charity society, it shouldn't be or it will end up not being the faith it is, as was the case for certain christian subjects
>I don't mind people adopting Hinduism through joining the V4.
Same, if it's faith that they care about and not the lineage and societal benefits then they all should have no issues joining as V4.
UaQJ9J
No.9229
>>9227
>I think it becomes this one thing where each respective V needs to form its own governing body
You haven't read any history of how difficult is it to gain the trust of a V1 sub-group in order to invite them to join you in a conquest over Mlechha lands. If V1 feels threatned about the question of their liberty then they would NEVER join V2s in a conquest over enemies.
>Kanging on your lineage purity and acting against all its belief is pretty stupid. Such a woman will make a lineage fall.
I call this academic liberty. The same academic liberty that gave us Vātsyāyana, Kalidasa. Even Adi-Shankara initially was a maverick in his own sense. The same liberty created Buddha, Mahavira etc (not saying these religions are any good).
UaQJ9J
No.9230
mqYyb9
No.9231
>>9229
>You haven't read any history of how difficult is it to gain the trust of a V1 sub-group in order to invite them to join you in a conquest over Mlechha lands.
I completely agree with this.
>If V1 feels threatned about the question of their liberty then they would NEVER join V2s in a conquest over enemies.
I also agree with this, and this needs to be also changed. Again, if we fall, from our principles we will sort of leave Hinduism crippled. This is kind of how things end up badly.
A large majority of V1 has hyperpolafion of groups that wish to do nothing with V2 and V3 vs those tho think V5 is same as them or love mllecha's. That is still a vocal minority, majority are still priestly classes or groups trying to make their ends meet.
I firmly believe that this will change. UC's and the V1 are being radicalised which gives me a very positive hope. It's just a matter of shaping up the views when most of them were raised in this generation devoid of principles they wanted but were never allowed to have.
Will check those links out.
>I call this academic liberty. The same academic liberty that gave us Vātsyāyana, Kalidasa. Even Adi-Shankara initially was a maverick in his own sense. The same liberty created Buddha, Mahavira etc (not saying these religions are any good).
I have neutral, and to some degree i agree. It is academic liberty.
mqYyb9
No.9232
>>9230
Would do.
mqYyb9
No.9233
This was a good thread, I would get some sleep now, good night anons.
