/CKT/-Caste Kanging Thread

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(indian) kang all you want But #Rules >back it up with studies/evidence/research >if not GTFO >bonus if you actually find any phenotypic effects of ancestry which affect individuals IRL

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>>359 Hello, tbh I am not planning to exactly kang on anything. However I believe that ossification of Varna was based on idea that if we isolate the reasonable traits such as high pain tolerance, good physical range, reaction speed, as well as physical agility, into a specific group, we would be able to create a subgroup that is specially built for martial work. This is the basis that I would like to present, and to support this I would first like to present the use case of African Americans. Let's refer to them as negros. Negros in America are actually significantly bigger, and physically much more imposing than majority of their african cousins. It's clearly thanks to eugenics that was done to them, where they were bred with purpose of the working class. This focused on getting the ideal male and using him as a stock. What we did in a way was probably similar. We clearly had much more humane take were the warrior tribes would be kept isolated so they can marry each other and produce more refined children over time. I believe loss of environmental pressure as well as pressure to marry other martial tribe has been extremely detrimental to V2 (Kshatriya). It goes with saying, I would back this up with evidence too, their is a disproportionate amount of V2 in the Military, a lot in IPS services as well. This concludes both, my theory for the validity of the Varna system, as well as my support to why this needs to go on. I believe by giving them a real support, they could elevate themself. Much stronger children, with stronger combat ability, spatial awareness. I would like current V2 lines to be able to create super soldiers by year 2200.

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>>359 >>bonus if you actually find any phenotypic effects of ancestry which affect individuals IRL This is a complex one. I think their is some kind of basis to this but it is only relevant to regional variants. It is pretty established that certain traits come as result of environment pressure. In a way of we follow singularity formulae, we will wish all these traits to be present in all V2 of all region, while losing all the good traits over time. This is ofcourse me describing idea situation. If we strictly limit it to phenotype, majority of the warrior tribes even non V2 like Mohyal have been taller and more aggression dispositioned, even beyond nurture, but in nature due to pressure their environment had on them. Much more than other V1's. I would collect some data and I will put them here to further back my case for both, relevance of V2, perfection of their marriage and support for warrior bloodlines, as well as them perfecting their martial tradition and bloodline.

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>>362 We didn't invent Sanskrit, Sanskrit predated us and formation of Varna system. Regardless that is not relevant to this thread unless you can back it up with empirical evidence.

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>>360 >>360 The Super soldiers genetic experiments have been tried many Times but most have failed only some have succeeded but with this changing world and ultimately minimising the good effects The Varna system would've been great if it was based on Merit (which it was initially) and not solely on blood which would've allowed better variants from all (indian)s into respective groups In case of Blacks and whites having more strength this is due to their geographical natural selection but those factors are only applicable in either extreme conditions or in sports

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>>366 >>362 Honestly go back to /b/ if you do not have anything to back you up also all languages are either invented or derived from pre-existing languages yes most great mathematicians are brahmins but in mordern world it's mostly other factors also there have been many non-philosophers which have been from lower (indian)s

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>>364 >The Super soldiers genetic experiments have been tried many Times but most have failed >only some have succeeded but with this changing world and ultimately minimising the good effects I agree, i feel like we can actually still benefit from it. >The Varna system would've been great if it was based on Merit (which it was initially) and not solely on blood which would've allowed better variants from all (indian)s into respective groups I have mixed feelings about this one from POV of orthodox. I feel like we can minimise who can be allowed in a Varna to a certain degree. But by us keeping it exceptionally rare. >In case of Blacks and whites having more strength this is due to their geographical natural selection >but those factors are only applicable in either extreme conditions or in sports This is what I meant by selective breeding. This was not always the case as we see in USA. They clearly bred them to be stronger, bigger, as the weak ones were killed. We can approach this with a more humane mindset.

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>>371 Don't engage with the LC's bait. >>367 There is actually a strong study which shows how the central north aspect of Sanskrit is much different from the far north of Sanskrit. A large aspect of Sanskrit that was not carried over to the classical iteration of it, can still be find in a few regions of Kashmir. Pleasantly it is surprising. Not sure what that LC swiss is talking about though. >>369 What is this article about anon? >>373 Technically we V1's don't care about that at this point. We all lost majority of branch a long time ago. A lot of us belief if we don't let puranic of neo interpretation of it bastardise the Vedas, new seers will arise from our ranks, who could revive the lost branches, completing vedas. Their is no , "definitive" edition of veda. For instance my Shukla sakha is bound to have stuff that other V1's Krishna Sakha doesn't, and even vice versa. Oral tradition were very lineage specific.

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>>375 >an aritficial language Baits used to be believable. LC abrahamics used to be creative. Anyways back to the thread now.

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Next I would like to interate on normalisation of the emphasis of certain sakhas with the V1 as well. Existence of Groups such as the Pancha Dravida, Gauda, Mohyal Saraswat have shown meat consumption is ok based on vedas. This ofcourse doesn't mean that not eating meat is not relevant. Vedas were clearly oral verses that focused a lot on us Dwijas following a lifestyle alongside the hymms for certain daevas. (Some of them being Asura, as the definition was arbitrary) But it is very clear eating meat was infact ok. Alongside by analysis of Shruti, we can take a look at a few smriti and well. Manusmriti warrants consumption of meat, and based on what i understand. >Bovus Taurus >Bovus Gaur >Wild asian buffalo >Domestic asian buffalo >Goat >Sheep >African cape buffalo >Bison >Mithun All don't come under the "gau" concept, however for semantics I feel like we can definitely, should definitely avoid eating Taurus (western) cow as well. It's very hard to tell them apart. This is a take on empirically rationalising how meat was consumed in rig vedic period. I also believe if we entirely limit owner ship of the ethnic indian cow, cow slaughter will also go down. Abandoned cow end up on slaughter very frequently, we need to simply substitute them with buffalos.

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>>379 >but in mordern world Merit and intelligence are everything >especially in mordern warfare where everything is constantly changing I don't disagree, but if we go by that logic, we still would need to follow Varna sharm. Just for an example if we start to logically declare how and who and what makes someone either of four of the main Varna, them it boils down to who gets to make that choice. Even if we do it, it can not be allowed to be willy nilly I will change it as i please, since that will again contradicts the entire scripture. >>I have mixed feelings about this one from POV of orthodox. I feel like we can minimise who can be allowed in a Varna to a certain degree. But by us keeping it exceptionally rare. >with genetics mostly affecting on the elite level the mordern (indian) system must be more merit based (which it kinda is in liberal households focusing on income) I don't agree with this, but I can respect this. I do believe certain groups have innate ability to do certain things. That can be easily seen as how V1 over represent in Administration, i don't mean kanging V1, I mean most of us that actually are administrative officers, or V2 in military or the V3 in trade. Aptitude is innate fo a certain degree in my belief. I am ofcourse saying some form of fluidity is vital here. Given a choice between Pakistani muslims who wish to be Dwija or Jewish people larping as Dwija thanks to sects like Iskon, internally us reforming the faith while still keeping the basis and sanctity, without changing it, or correcting it is right course of actions. We can not allow the abrahamic from Pakistan or Jewish from the Israel to mix their blood with us. Like painbringer brought up, Hinduism is fundamentally elitist faith. >I understand the orthodox viewpoint but a very closed genetic pool can cause some problems in extreme cases Gotra system counters this. However I do and i have to agree, regions like Kashmir as well as the regions like UP suffer from genetic bottleneck since they will marry in same Gotra rather than marry outside region. Interesting thing is Other Varna can have same gotra has us V1. Marrying outside our Varna does actually do nothing for fixing generic cess. However marrying other càste of same Varna, ie kashmiri brahmin marrying a up brahmin girl and up brahmin marrying a gujara brahmin girl will fix this. Similar problem exists with V4 as well though to a much worse degree. Yadav's and similar other groups refuse to marry other V4 and keep on .marrying themself. Savarkar has pointed this out in past. I believe this was what Manusmriti was pointed all Varnas towards as well. I am ofcourse not against merit like i said, but I do think each Varna and it's member, if given dignity have chance for most of them to align with their natural Varna, since they existed for a reason. If it doesn't work, we can naturally let people join the Varna based on community census on who is fit for certain Varna by their body, mind, action and thus merit. >The human Mind is very flexible irrespective of race if given right resources I don't hink it's a matter of race. Think of this as neuroplasticity anon. People adapt to a specici niche given a chance. If someone has already adapted for a purpose "unless" he doesn't wish to be in it, I think it's fine to enable people to do what they take pride in. Again this is mostly a philosophical take, but i believe if we all are following Varnashram we can atleast do it in a way where all V's, 1234 get treated with dignity and has genetic feasibility alongside orthodox one.

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>>381 Further, I will like to create basis of my research from this point onwards. I can not provide any factual evidence unless we determine the said parameters first. Their are clearly a large number of false V1, something I would admit myself in regions of central India and even NW as of now. As a result i believe V2 is best Varna to work on my study. According to lord Parshurama he was able to tell that Karana was not a Brahmin like me or other V1 because his pain tolerance was quite clearly that of Kshatriya. I want people to follow me, even if it diverges from science, but I want us to treat it, even if temporarily as a guideline and research journal. His words quite clearly imply that this was in a way, meant to be an innate trait. Parshurama himself was well familiar with Kshatriyas and he in past went after bloodlines, not those with the traits. This established that Varna, in practice was by lineage. Now this doesn't mean I am saying if it originated to be by lineage, or if it makes rest of us had at other stuff. It goes without saying, we definitely have community like V1 who were good at War, V2 who were good scientifically, as even V5 who was exceptionally well educated, both scripturally as well as spiritually, yes I am referring to Kalam, as all non Hindus come to V5 category by default. But this doesn't invalidate that forming this quad singularities can be a bad thing. I believe if the right kind of people end up merging with the right kind of people, our generations will be a clan of predictable geniuses. Nature is not the kind to conform. That means always some form of variation will exist, but we can ideally follow this untill it has more than 50% stability. With this as basis of my parameter. I would now start a research and gater resources on V2. If you all can, provide me with resources of all the V2 groups in your regions, as well as data of their participation in Indian Military (all different groups, I wish to see which group is saturated in which branch) as well as see how they are doing in combat sports as well.

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>>383 V1 is Varna 1, or a Brahmin. So you would be a V2, or a Kshatriya. V1, V2, V3 Vaishya, V4 Shudra, V4X (sat shudra) superior Shudras like kambhojas, jatts and so on and so on, lohar etc also come in this class, few others can me nair, V4Y (ati Shudras) inferior kind of Shudras, like paasi and jaatav and so on. V5 is Dalits, Muslims, Christians, etc. Some people argue 6 is all other races and V7 is the jews but that's its own thing, I don't care about all that.

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>>383 >V2 doxxes himself brutal, kek

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>>386 Interesting find, would check it out.

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>>380 Based on this I would like to further add, that by some rulers of keralam, their was a very strong prohibition against eating cows or killing them both. This means without a doubt that this is a non negotiable element of Arya faith. Cows are without a doubt aghinya by end of Vedic rites. This we can conclude that words by persian and Syrian diplomats that a man who kills a cow or eats his flesh shall have his hands shoved in hot oil, implies we didn't fall due to not eating cow, but due to lack of consumption of alternative meat. Cows were most certainly sacred and this they all are meant to be protected. Source of the punishment for killing or eating cows in keralam was taken from -duarte barbosa as well as the kamal-ud-din abdur razzaq, both mentioned neither Kshatriyas not Shudras had any from of tolerance for this. In sense of kanging this implies both, Nair as well as Travancore Verma lineages had very good policing system implemented to not just pass a law but reinforce it publicly too. I am a very firm believer that Nair as well as the Varma family line's should be followed. Where it should be ok to eat meat for non vaishnava and even more no for non V1's, but cows, specially the bovus Indicus and any harm on it must be responded with lynching and killing muslims, and christians as frequently as possible. >Why is this relevant Unless we can actually drive both ideal situation where all V2 lineages are given chance to do what they are meant to, as well as optimal option for nutrition, we can't fully implement the idea I am proposing.

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