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Eklavya
Broatul
LvM/d+
No.446349
> Rajiv Goswami was the first student to attempt self-immolation while a student at Deshbandhu College, Delhi University in October, 1990 to protest against Prime Minister V.P. Singh's implementation of the Mandal Commission laws for Affirmative Action (reservation) recommendations.
> While Goswami survived, he became the face of the agitation, and more immolation bids followed soon. The historian Ramachandra Guha puts that number at 200; more than 60 succumbed to their burns.[5] Some other reports put these suicide attempts to 159, with 63 succumbing to their injuries
LvM/d+
No.446350
OBC reservation and SC/ST act are the worst thing that happened to india
iTa3+t
No.446351
>>446349(OP)
One of the protests Tibetans pursued against the chinese was self immolation.
iTa3+t
No.446353
>>446350
naah, there was nothing wrong with sc/st act. OBC reservations yes.
we should have something like sc/st + ews reservations rest should go.
reservation in general is a good scapegoat it's hardly a blip on lists of issues in india.
LvM/d+
No.446356
>>446351
Its stupid and cowardly
LvM/d+
No.446357
>>446353
In BIMARU states SC/ST act is misused a lot
iTa3+t
No.446358
>>446353
>sc/st act
*sc/st reservation - even some sections of sc/st act are perfectly fine.
issue was lack of law enforcement leading to even worse set of laws - system gets empowered - but vulnerable people stay vulnerable.
>>446356
depends desu many smart people have written how self immolation is one of the most defiant way to go.
iTa3+t
No.446359
>>446357
was pointing about reservation tbh mistyped
ww9FLF
No.446360
>>446349(OP)
lmao
ZDe1Sj
No.446361
>>446349(OP)
It was stupid to implement these
These groups were discrinated as much and their poverty was due to massive industrialization during British rule
The way to uplift them would be industrialize the nation and not these retard tactics
ZDe1Sj
No.446362
>>446361
not discriminated as much*
LvM/d+
No.446364
>>446358
How sir? They really don't care about you
If you wanna die only, why not go full violent and fight, any death is less painful than burning oneself alive
ZDe1Sj
No.446369
>>446364
Tbh killing some obc or dalit leader would lead GC being killed in masses
Killing a same (indian) person who is doing all these bhang bhosda would be better
Like killing an UC person who is forming these laws
LvM/d+
No.446371
>>446369
UCs had more power that time
iTa3+t
No.446374
>>446364
tbh it depends on the type of enemy you are protesting against - someone who doesn't value or consider you even a stat (Indian Republic) it was proly meaningless - considering end result didn't change.
i was talking in general - self immolation is very defiant.
i don't recall but someone wrote it in kino manner, sorry for sharing chatgpt but it provides the gist
>At its core, self-immolation is read as the ultimate refusal to cooperate. Most systems of power assume one basic thing: that people want to stay alive and will act within that constraint. When someone willingly violates that assumption, it short-circuits the usual tools of control—fear, punishment, coercion. The act says, “You have nothing left to threaten me with.” That’s where the idea of defiance comes from.
>The person is effectively saying that the injustice is so absolute that life itself has become incompatible with dignity.
>Observers experience this as morally destabilizing, because it forces a confrontation with suffering that cannot be dismissed as self-interest or opportunism.
Let's take ahimsha of gandhi, chaddis mock him for 'le british slave' - whatever might be the reason. Practicality is that any violent revolt would have lost - so how do you fight against a technologically advanced enemy? You have no choice but to appeal to their conscience.
But in case of UCs protests, you are right it was stupid - neither the politicians were too powerful against you, nor republic can stand a major UC rebellion. So other options were better.
mZeD0Z
No.446377
>>446374
>nor republic can stand a major UC rebellion. So other options were better.
It can, bhangis are in majority. But india would be worse than African shitholes then.
Bhimta-K2wa-liberal- femshits are a cancer. And in majority. A country which doesn't respect and legally disvcriminates its builders deserves whatever shit comes to them.
LvM/d+
No.446383
>>446374
Jauhar and religious self immolation are the only one that makes sense
The one done to make them sympathize for you is plain stupidity
And the one done by UC students was really dumb
mZeD0Z
No.446384
>>446383
Yeah it's just gandhigiri, doesn't work irl
iTa3+t
No.446385
>>446377
UCs
>dominate the bureaucracy
>dominate the armed forces
>dominate the paramilitary forces
>even in politics
>even in media
>are major dominant force in every village - sc/st etc. might have numbers they don't have the social mobility of power to enact anything
it's purely just lack of intent™️
Republic can't function without UCs as a whole problem is that UC leader and people in above mentioned groups like most Indians are self serving.
The power equilibrium was even more favourable during whole mandal stuff.
UCs are the most identity conscious people, with way better organization than rest of the group. Why nothing happened i don't know.
There's no sc/st or even obc equivalent to the level of autism shown by rajputs, jats, brahmins (best at it), etc. when it comes to creating community literature. Brahmins are best at it because entire language, then literature has transformed entire civilization. There's nobody comparable to these.
Still nothing was done. I don't know but atleast don't punch down on your group.
LvM/d+
No.446386
>>446377
True, UCs are the sole nation builders and yet they are mocked and abused daily
Its one of the main reason why india will remain mediocre forever
iTa3+t
No.446387
>>446385
obviously here i am limiting to Hindu UCs.
LvM/d+
No.446389
>>446385
The problem with brahmins is that they are highly individualistic
Also its either that UCs have suicidal altruism or the other indians aren't altruistic at all
iTa3+t
No.446392
>>446389
>The problem with brahmins is that they are highly individualistic
This also might be the reason whey they succeeded most. Also with wordcelling culture which worked out well in their favour.
anyway i don't buy the whole 'whole we are the sole good guys' type - this is where i have disagreement with anons but in general i disagree with the assessment with the capability of the group.
mZeD0Z
No.446397
>>446385
You mean they didn't beg for the legal non discrimination like the bhangis did?
Nope, sorry UCs won't beg for it. Either respect it yourself or you don't deserve it
Only bhangism and leeching and kanging go hand in hand with it. Nation builders don't kang, they just do it.
iTa3+t
No.446399
>>446397
not beg but the power could have been utilized for reasonable outcome tbh i don't know.
mZeD0Z
No.446404
>>446399
Then there would be no nation building, once they start working in self interest. Bhangi propaganda would hold correct
LvM/d+
No.446406
>>446403
Aren't they all related genetically, i had one chart which showed that all brahmins have one common origin
And they all do learn vedas and have similar gotra system
LvM/d+
No.446408
>>446392
There is a saviour complex to among UC leaders
iTa3+t
No.446409
>>446403
it was interesting decentralized but kinda centralized system. as stated if these groups are bad others were worse at 'community consciousness'.
afaik, mandal commission itself was propped by many UC leaders - very self-serving myopic stuff.
our retarded politicians proly thought reservation carrot was enough for their life time to sustain power without caring about industrializations etc.
i don't know tbh how this whole thing worked out during that time.
iTa3+t
No.446410
>>446408
can't be denied atleast one group of hindutva / sangh and leftists UCs have those.
LvM/d+
No.446412
MJOAF1
No.446419
>>446358
It depends on your target honestly, a gay democracy with somewhat free press would have disastrous effects, a based dictatorship would literally laugh at you.
MJOAF1
No.446420
>>446419
and then throw your friends in the fire too.
MJOAF1
No.446430
>>446421
Maybe trve, Indians are very docile, something like Jallianwala Bagh(I mean something similar commited under foreign orders, not Tinammen) would've started a 2000 years civil war in China.
