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The white man marches on!
aBKaW6
No.292922
In frame:
The greatest football player ever
The greatest Cricket player ever
The greatest tennis player ever
The greatest hockey player ever
uH5qYq
No.292923
1DUp9g
No.292924
>>292922(OP)
Wignats dont consider messi and novak white.
aBKaW6
No.292925
>>292923
Bradman is the greatest statistical anomaly in all of major sport, hard to look past him.
aBKaW6
No.292927
>>292924
Lol, lmao even.
uH5qYq
No.292928
>>292925
>muh stats
Bradman didn't even play what can be considered cricket pajeet. It is like me bringing up 1920 Manchester football team in goat conversation
ABD is undoubtedly the most gifted and raw cricketing talent cricket has ever seen, Sachin himself attested to it. Great fielding and absolutely lethal batting.
aBKaW6
No.292932
>>292928
talent alone doesn't mean anything, even Indian players like Kohli and sachin outperformed him in most aspects
aBKaW6
No.292934
>>292932
Heck I'd say even viv richards outperforms him.
uH5qYq
No.292935
>>292932
It is complex, ABD carried and dragged RCB (with Virat) for many years, and less I say about SA cricket team the better
Sachin and Virat had more support with better teams
ABD is the greatest cricketer cricket has ever seen, and it's cricket's greatest tragedy ABD never got his dues. Watch his legends league final batting, even with a detached retina at 41 his natural brilliance shines through.
If there was ever a perfect batsman in terms of natural ability closest we have js ABD
fOB47X
No.292939
>>292924
Spics and Favelas are Schrodinger whites.
aBKaW6
No.292941
>>292935
Lmao Abd played in the golden era of Sa cricket surrounded by greats like Faf du plesis, hashim amla, greame smith, kallis (for many years), QDK, steyn, morkel, philander and many other great players.
South Africa aren't the underdogs of cricket, they are the chokers. Same can be said for RCB. If anyone should be getting extra points for carrying a shit team that would be sachin in the 90s
I don't even think you watch matches considering you are bringing up meme tournaments like legends league cricket in a debate for deciding the GOAT
Steve smith is a better test batsman than Abd viliers btw
uH5qYq
No.292942
>>292941
It's irrelevant yaar they got cucked in 2015 by the quota rule
aBKaW6
No.292943
>>292935
>If there was ever a perfect batsman in terms of natural ability closest we have js ABD
No, that's Sachin and Viv richards. Attested by both Bradman and Sunil Gavaskar.
uH5qYq
No.292944
>>292942
>SS better than ABD
Giga cope yaar
No matter how many greats SA had they had to include players in the Semi final of ODI WC 2015 and that's where they lost
uH5qYq
No.292947
>>292943
>Sachin
>natural ability
??
Sachin was a good hardworker who clawed his way to the top of the sport. Not diminishing his results btw, his entire point was he outworked people with his religious devotion to the sport
uH5qYq
No.292949
>>292945
Kys
aBKaW6
No.292951
>>292942
The Audacity it takes to call this team weak, they still lost 4-0 to Australia in a series just before the same WC btw
aBKaW6
No.292952
>>292944
Shouldnt hinder his own batting in tests tho, here is Smith with 10000+ runs with an average of 55 going strong at 36, Abd retired at what? 33?
uH5qYq
No.292953
>>292951
All of that is irrelevant when you need to include quota positions in key matches
Does this not pierce your skull
1jHMth
No.292954
>>292949
kys blaady bhenchod
aBKaW6
No.292955
>>292945
Bevan, Gilly, sanga mog him to oblivion even if we were to bring up players with similar profile as him
aBKaW6
No.292956
>>292947
This was when sachin was in his early 20s btw
uH5qYq
No.292958
>>292956
Again, not diminishing his achievements but he was a good hard worker. There is nothing disrespectful in this btw, he was just too devoted to the sport and clawed his way through.
I dont know why this is controversial
uH5qYq
No.292960
>>292958
I know this because I used to play cricket upto grade 8, coaches told us to emulate Sachin and gavaskar as it was possible to be that by hard work but not to emulate strange players like ABD and the likes
aBKaW6
No.292961
>>292957
Smith has a test average of 56 with much larger sample size, you cant seriously compare the two. Smith is legit a part of all time test great debates with Sachin, Gavaskar, bradman, sanga etc
I agree abd is a ODI great, on par with Kohli, Viv Richards and sachin
But he shouldn't be brought up in GOAT batsman debates. The less said about his T20i record the better
1jHMth
No.292962
I don't want o post moar MSD meme posts, but what is so difficult about this sport that y'all are appreciating ABD so much?
aBKaW6
No.292963
>>292958
His hardwork was probably what seperated him and other cricketing legends but let's not pretend that it wasn't his natural ability alone that allowed him to debut for India at an age of 16
1jHMth
No.292964
>>292962
as in what were his achievements that made him stand out?
uH5qYq
No.292965
>>292961
50+ avg in Tests in retirement is bretty good saar, Smith is not that reliable in odi
His odi avg is 43
His t20 avg is 24.9 less than ABD
uH5qYq
No.292966
>>292963
Sure, but in terms of pure nature ability I will not put him that high, and I DO NOT mean this disrespectfully
There is nothing less about hardworking through life
aBKaW6
No.292967
>>292962
ABD is an ODI great but he doesn't even make it to the top 10 test batsmen ever. His own countryman Kallis mogs him in this department.
Kallis is a better GOAT candidate from South Africa
uH5qYq
No.292968
>>292961
Compare smith and ABD averages saar. Only place smith leads in by 5 runs in Tests, both are 50+ btw
ZB2Kjt
No.293073
>>292922(OP)
>>292923
>>292925
>>292928
>>292932
>>292934
>>292935
>>292941
>>292943
>>292945
>>292956
>>292957
>>292961
>>292967
>>292969
Jacques Kaliis is greatest player to ever have played cricket, might possibly be one of the best to have ever played any sport.
Was 3rd down batsman in tests, bowled long spells at decent speed and was one of the best slip fielder of his time. No other cricket player comes close to him.
aBKaW6
No.293079
>>293073
Sobers is the GOAT all rounder, I will explain in detail here since I watched quite a lot of kallis growing up and read a lot on sobers too, for kallis, he was more of a mechanical "get things done" type player and he was very good at it.
Most other greats had phases in their career where they had real superlative performances that makes one go wow!
The reason is because Sobers, SRT did one thing Kallis wasn't really great at. Dominating. Kallis extremely rarely took control of a game batting. Statistics are nice but they are also misleading.
Kallis batted at such a slow pace that his wicket was a lot safer but he also took pressure off the bowlers. You look at Viv Richards or Gilchrist or Sehwag. When their eye was in the bowlers and captains were terrified of the game basically disappearing in a session or two. Kallis very rarely did that to anyone.
The simple fact is if you want to win you pick Sobers. No question.
This is a breakdown of why I don't rate him an all time great. You have to look at the best teams a player played against to judge them as an all time great. If they can't perform against the best, well... where are their stats coming from? Beating inferior opposition...
So I'm looking at Kallis' notable scores against Australia in Tests - considering Australia had the best bowling attack for most of his career.
Here's the list. Feel free to critique what I picked but basically I chose innings of 90+.
15 off 57 and 101 off 279 balls. Batted dreadfully slow and cost them any chance of a win.
38 off 124 and 99 off 180 - they were annihilated. His first innings is inexcusable for a number 4. That's textbook "how to play the bowlers in".
111 off 275 and 50 off 96 - they ran out of time and had two forced declarations costing them the game. Again batted his team out of the game.
114 off 223 and 7 off 32 - can't blame him here. Was a loss but the rest of the batting crumbled first dig.
93 off 175 - again can't blame him. They were effectively 4-6 first innings with G. Smith out for the match.
102 off 163 - this is a good one. Kept the momentum. Cashed in with 2 teammates.
147 off 274 and 49 off 91 - I'll say he helped save them here.
Ok so one significant contribution to a win and one save in ALL his Test matches against Australia. That is why I don't rate him. He simply didn't turn up against the best opponent.
aBKaW6
No.293090
Consider this:
Don Bradman the most prolific batsman
Viv Richards the most destructive great batsman
Sachin Tendulkar the best all-round batsman
Brian Lara the genuis matchwinner, played big innings and did it in the most scintillating and flamboyant manner.
Kallis was the combination of all but nothing in particular, stand out thing was his resolute attitude.
Sangakkara the modern great. ABD the reincarnation of Viv, unbelievable shots and diverse range.
