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Anonymous

DN

jJ5oIJ

No.226

>Wears animal skin

>Uses an axe

>Kills kshatriya kings

>Even killed his mother , extremely sacrilegious in Vedic society

>Imp in Parshuram Kshtera, in South West of Coromandel coast, a very late addition to hindu society.

Was he a Tribal warrior , whogot adopted into Brahminical Culture mitro?

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RJ

PBH7CM

No.227

>>226(OP)

I think he's just an archetypical cope to try to wrestle some power back from Kshatriyas by justifying some manner of legitimacy for Brahmins while also trying to discredit the legitimacy of Kshatriyas.

It's a pattern we see in a lot of societies where the priestly class attempts to usurp power from a knightly class, and sometimes succeeds.

This largely becomes irrelevant in the long run due to presence of steppe nomads bringing about the next Assabiyah/Dynastic cycle, and becoming the next ruling class, until they get fully absorbed and integrated.

Anonymous

DN

RsIRH+

No.228

>>227

Ignoring the metaphorical interpretations here for ke cause I do not believe any story is just invented. There are usually real figures involved in the events. Tell me what do you think of my tribal theory?

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RJ

PBH7CM

No.229

>>228

Well, in the first place, how do you define tribal?

Usually, they are people who do not have sustained agriculture and sedentary lifestyle.

They might be nomadic or semi Nomadic.

Are we talking about not adhering to the mainstream society? I guess that's also an element.

It's plausible but then, it fits the pattern, just with castist overtones.

Father Painbringer

IN

FCwV3J

No.230

>>226(OP)

>extremely sacrilegious in Vedic society

abbe chamar ye purano wala shiv hai, ye koyi vedic diety nahi hai

Anonymous

CH

RsIRH+

No.231

>>230

Ese chutiyo ko bhi entry mil jati is forum me kya ho bolu

Anonymous

DL

RsIRH+

No.232

>>229

Yeah I think he was a figure from a Tribal or Adivasi tribe or maybe even a Brahman who was part of tribal culture (note lot of Brahman had their settler colonies all over forests of India) . Kinda like someone who lives in forests and relies on hunting gathering or semi agriculture

Anonymous

IN

8vR8XB

No.233

>>226(OP)

Don't disrespect hinduism

Mods please perma ban this anti nationalist

Anonymous

DL

RsIRH+

No.234

>>233

Where is the disrespect in this retard?

ARYA

HeaCZH

No.235

>>227

> I think he's just an archetypical cope to try to wrestle some power back from Kshatriyas by justifying some manner of legitimacy for Brahmins while also trying to discredit the legitimacy of Kshatriyas

Incredible kshitriya cope, kek’d

ghadatyagi

IN

p1hGv0

No.288

>>226(OP)

one jeet said something about usurping power ( i agree ) and shit reduces all the vedic literature into a political propaganda which is inherently a truth but not always the reason behind

i personally think of him as a subtle critique regarding the vague nature of caste system given his dialogues in the canon, his character inception might be a political way to integrate Kshatriyas way of life into the brahmanical way by appropriating it since we could see the rise of brahmin empires as well despite all his characteristics indicating he might not be the ortho brahmin in the first place.

bamans werent good in anything except being a toptier wordcels

Anonymous

IN

tR7h7M

No.289

>>226(OP)

I dont think he even existed, maybe appropriation might have happened

Anonymous

IN

tR7h7M

No.290

>>288

>>227

I doubt he was this important, Parshuram worship seems like a recent phenomena

Anonymous

IN

tR7h7M

No.291

>>235

kek yeah, it seems like a cope, since almost all societies valued their priestly and scholar classes

Anonymous

ARYA

Cpi3D8

No.354

>>227

Societally and politically speaking I agree your statement. Scripturally i think that was its own thing entirely.

>>230

>OP never claims he is a Vedic Deity

>Retard proceeds to brain fart here

Mods, please ban the inbreds who don't have basic reading comprehension. Get rid of them.

>>232

I feel like one issue here is, using nomadic and tribal interchangeably. Tribe is a rather broad classification of people who follow a certain lifestyle. Nomad is one of those said lifestyle.

We don't know if Brahman, or Adi Nivasi were both living relatively same life style. Thus the only thing dividing both communities would be samskara practices as well as bloodline.

Perhaps Brahmans having lived alongside the Tribes for so long simply adapted to a lot of their practices over time. This is strictly a guess in this case.

>>235

I don't think that's entirely cope despite being a brahman. Parshurama himself was probably a divine being, but their is nothing stopping all the bunch of NW "hai ravan, jai ravan" retards from having tried to kang on Kshatriya like morons in past.

>>290

I doubt all that is true given he was a prominent figure in epic of Mahabharata as well. The way his image has been radicalised is definitely quite unfortunate. However periodic change is usually expected in all community, the Brahman Varna community being no exception.

Anonymous

ARYA

Cpi3D8

No.355

>>288

>bamans werent good in anything except being a toptier wordcels

Can't disagree with all of it, we are pretty good at word celling.

Anonymous

BR

CN4M0C

No.376

>>354

The main point im interested here is his axe and his slaying his own mother. The axe doesn't feature prominently in any arya stories and killing the mother? Good luck with finding tht. Where do we find an axe tho? In indus valley. That's pretty fascinating. Assuming that parshuram is also in mahabharat , it is possible he was a warrior king/sage from ivc, who was responsible for killing a lot of arya kshatriyas. But other Arya's decided to ally with him, and asked him to retire which may explain why he didn't fifjt in the war.

However his conflict and later stalemate with Bhishma if the House of Kuru leniage might represent an alliance of his kingdom with the kurus.

Another parshuram also features in Ramayan. And we know tht rama , janaka, dashrath, all are mentioned in right ved, with an aryan settlement as far as Saryu. In the story Rama humbles Parshuram, which may show a real conflict where his kingdom was defeated by the Royal House of Ikshavaku's jewel, but ended in a treaty of alliance that led to tribute or annexation of his kingdom and then sm friendship. Just a hunch but interesting to see it like this.

Anonymous

BR

CN4M0C

No.377

>>376

Rig veda*