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4BOtOl
No.305434
>>305433(OP)
kek
+ZEwKo
No.305436
>>305433(OP)
Remove all brahmins and dalits
4kgx9m
No.305437
>>305436
No violence. We can peacefully find our own way away from both of those groups
0cO74+
No.305438
>>305433(OP)
First movement born out of bharatchan. Would be interesting to see how it goes.
4kgx9m
No.305442
>>305438
Someone shill this on twitter
Us Shudras need distinctive identity away from handuism and from ambedkarism as well since many Shudras are GC
+ZEwKo
No.305447
4kgx9m
No.305450
WAU5Xr
No.305453
Shudra -Jaat, Gujar, Ahir many more powerful caste 60% population
Do brahmin really think they are the one who are carrying Hinduism?
4kgx9m
No.305454
MBetH5
No.305459
>>305442
>Us Shudras need distinctive identity away from handuism and from ambedkarism as well since many Shudras are GC
Lokacharya. Not gonna explain this, you guys are smart unlike Dalits, you can figure out the rest by yourself.
MBetH5
No.305460
>>305457
Its not bad but it could look a little more original.
4kgx9m
No.305462
>>305459
No. I would prefer going away from the umbrella of hinduism as far away as possible
And ABSOLUTELY NOT VAISHNAVISM
I dont object to shudras being vaishnavas, but STRICTLY NOT A MOVEMENT FOR VISHNU
Vishnu is the last god a Shudra movement should venerate
DLRi/+
No.305463
>>305433(OP)
>>305434
>>305436
>>305437
>>305438
>>305442
>>305447
>>305450
>>305453
>>305454
>>305457
>>305459
Unnecessary cause shudras already got included thanks to bhakti movement, sages like swami narayan and basava (both born brahmins btw) brought religion to them and transformed their lives.
4kgx9m
No.305464
>>305460
I am making this on my phone. Will make a better version on Saturday
I made it blue as a small tribute to the ambedkarite movement.
I used to dislike Ambedkar before, as I dont get reservations, but as I have matured I have learnt to appreciate him.
DLRi/+
No.305465
>>305462
vaishnavism already won 500+ years ago
4kgx9m
No.305467
4kgx9m
No.305469
>>305465
No one remains a winner forever.
4kgx9m
No.305473
I hope for the SGTOW movement to be a proper online movement that is focused on the urban Internet zoomer shudras first, and later reaching the ground in 50-80 years
wMSCou
No.305484
But what will be your gods /god ?
Can't take away religion from people, you have replace it
YJK8UD
No.305486
>>305433(OP)
A Shudra identity doesnt make much sense. Shudras are extremely diverse
What makes more sense is ethno linguistic nationalism. It will automatically make dwijas weaker and shudras stronger as every ethnic group here has one or several dominant shudra groups, who have dwijas ruling over them.
Dwijas use their pan indian networks and political clout to rule over the locally rooted shudras, and igniting ethno nationalist sentiments and weakening the hold of central govt is the only way to make the dwijas weaker. This is the reason why south indians have the strongest ethnic identities and also the most powerful shudra castes
4kgx9m
No.305487
>>305484
Anything other than hinduism . I don't mind islam, Christianity, or even Plato's idea of divinity
I have not thought about that deeply, I have to read Plato and Aquinas. I will start reading in December
xMUXR1
No.305488
>>305473
yaar no one cares handu. No one cares about shudras being lower anymore, heendu consolidation is currently the dominant ideology and a WIP. In 50-80 years there will be no such thing as shudra, dalit, brahmin, kshatriya, vaishya. There's only gonna be categories and heendus
KT8J2p
No.305489
>>305473
What Shudra are General Castes other than Gujrati Patels, Haryana Jaats and Marathas ?
4kgx9m
No.305490
>>305486
True. I have observed trads strongly push hindi despite the idea of giving up mother tongue for national identity is opposite of traditionalism, you want to keep your caste to oppose a republican identity by destroying it, but you push hindi for a republican unity identity
4kgx9m
No.305493
>>305489
Many. Every state has some GC shudras barring Bihar
4kgx9m
No.305496
>>305488
Keep dreaming handu that is what they said about MGTOWs and manosphere initially
WAU5Xr
No.305498
Librandu glow(by the way I am a nigger) D&C thread, lmao.
Many Shudras are well-settled and core Hinduism followers,
They never faced discrimination like Dalits did.
I'm a Shudra myself, you dumb Chamar. We don't need your kind, kek.
lwYhQL
No.305499
>>305484
>But what will be your gods /god ?
>Can't take away religion from people, you have replace it
Caste itself can be worshipped like jats and gujars
DLRi/+
No.305501
>>305467
doesn't matter what you thing.
bhakti movement and hindu synthesis which started all the way back during Gupta Empire, has transformed the lives of people to such an extent that it's irreversible.
you will fail because your ideology is sterile just like atheism.
>>305469
SGTOW won't even become a winner, it makes a basic mistake - it considers shudra as a homogenous identity.
>>305473
urban internet zoomer shudras are all coomers if not stoodycels, they don't have time for your schizophrenia.
KT8J2p
No.305502
>>305493
And did any of them ever faced any discrimination? Don't think so
4kgx9m
No.305504
>>305498
>well-settled and core Hinduism followers
But does hinduism approve of them being well settled?
>I'm a Shudra myself, you dumb Chamar. We don't need your kind, kek.
Good for you, and I am a Shudra also, and I wish to start a movement. Why are you agitated ? I am not forcing you. If shudras are truly well off and satisfied by my movement, no one will join my movement. So you have nothing to worry about this thread if you truly believe in what you said
DLRi/+
No.305506
YJK8UD
No.305507
>>305490
The first and most important thing your movement should do is reject national parties & centralization and support regional identities & decentralization/federalism
There is a reason why dwijas and national parties dominated by them want a pan indian civilizational narrative and hate the idea of india being a union of diverse cultures so much
WAU5Xr
No.305508
Ok, Rohingya Chamar so what's your plan Islam, Christianity, Sikhism?
4kgx9m
No.305510
>>305501
>bhakti movement and hindu synthesis which started all the way back during Gupta Empire, has transformed the lives of people to such an extent that it's irreversible.
>you will fail because your ideology is sterile just like atheism.
OK, then why are you commenting here?
Just laugh at this thread and move on
Also
>Gupta Empire
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
LMFAO
That is the root of all mistakes in modern hinduism
>SGTOW won't even become a winner, it makes a basic mistake - it considers shudra as a homogenous identity.
We will see about that. At its core, it can be just about moving away from Hinduism which I am sure many caste pilled shudras will be willing to do
>urban internet zoomer shudras are all coomers if not stoodycels, they don't have time for your schizophrenia
Then why bother about this thread? Why comment here ?
xMUXR1
No.305511
>>305496
Is it successful really? manospheretards are spiritually castrated untermensch deceived by the grifters they hold dear and laughed at in wider society. There's no such thing as MGTOW at scale, only flailing internet retards. Its an insult to compare yourself to them.
4kgx9m
No.305512
>>305502
Many. My own did. I did.
MBetH5
No.305513
>>305462
Lokacharya is not an umbrella term, it is its own thing.
>>305463
That actually was horrible for everyone, Though Shudras were part of Hinduism before hand, the issue is Dalits were included in the said Bhakti movment... That went horribly.
>>305464
You would actually be better off not associating with him, before this movement gets warped up with ambedkarism or hijacked up in future. Most because OBC Shudras and GC Shudra actually do not really get along with Dalits and vice versa, specially in region with shared resources. Still, do as you please.
>>305487
That's just ambedkarism with extra steps, I can't help but feel like this is a pattern all over again. Oh well, mujhe kya kek.
>>305488
I don't know about the four Varnas, but dalits toh exist karege tab bhi. I don't want to be put in the same group as dysgenics. Realistically everyone will devolve into monoethnic Varna like the Jaat and Gujjars.
4kgx9m
No.305514
>>305506
It is disputable.
DLRi/+
No.305515
>>305510
>At its core, it can be just about moving away from Hinduism
yeah and that is called atheism., your "movement" is DOA
4kgx9m
No.305516
>>305507
Good idea
xMUXR1
No.305517
>>305513
there's been massive outreach to dalits by bhajpa I think a good portion of them will still be heendu
wMSCou
No.305519
>>305486
Disagree
The idea that elites consists of dwijas only is outdated, today every single identity, be it ethnic or linguistic or religious have their set of elites. All of them benefit from this united pan India identity. They all do some nignoggery here and there but won't actually support any secession of any kind as they know it well it will hinder their growth as well.
4kgx9m
No.305521
>>305511
MGTOW and manosphere largely contributed to 4chan culture, many shifted to blackpill, lookism, incel, .org and snowballed to modern wignats
It largely lead to the pushback against feminism .
MBetH5
No.305523
>>305517
Have you seen the kind of shit they say about us Hindus? We are genuinely better off without all of them. Bhimtals are modern day equivalent of allowing termites in your wooden beam, and I only draw this line due to radicalisation of the ambedkarites.
YJK8UD
No.305526
>>305519
>The idea that elites consists of dwijas only is outdated, today every single identity, be it ethnic or linguistic or religious have their set of elites.
The richest elites are almost always dwijas
>secession
Decentralization/federalism is not secession
WAU5Xr
No.305527
>>305512
Dalit bhangi or Bimaru OBC larping as shudra
MBetH5
No.305528
>>305496
>that is what they said about MGTOWs and manosphere initially
I don't have any dog in this fight, but MGTOW and Manosphere are both dead. Anyone who thinks other wise is retarded.
xMUXR1
No.305530
>>305521
thats more so gamergate than manosphere. The main push against feminism was by edgy atheist channels early on, then the conservatives. Manosphere/mgtow are negligible. Wignats are still a minority and extremely electorally unpopular, most people aren't wignats lmfao.
4kgx9m
No.305531
>>305513
>Lokacharya is not an umbrella term, it is its own thing.
I thought you are referring to the Vaishnava Saint
>You would actually be better off not associating with him, before this movement gets warped up with ambedkarism or hijacked up in future. Most because OBC Shudras and GC Shudra actually do not really get along with Dalits and vice versa, specially in region with shared resources. Still, do as you please.
Should I change the colour to Violet or Magenta ?
What should the colour be
Blue, Red, Green, Orange all taken
>That's just ambedkarism with extra steps, I can't help but feel like this is a pattern all over again. Oh well, mujhe kya kek.
I prefer Plato's ideas tbh
But then again I am.this to be an Internet movement so I presume my target audience will be high iq and resourceful enough to get access to these books and knowledge
4kgx9m
No.305532
>>305515
>yeah and that is called atheism., your "movement" is DOA
>complement of hinduism is Atheism
??
nxiNEi
No.305533
>>305433(OP)
I don't mind Shudras going their own way as long as they give up on reservations and SC/ST act faggotry and promise to not seethe like nighers.
xMUXR1
No.305534
>>305523
some of them do sure, most are still heendu and I'm certain don't harbour any significant hatred.
MBetH5
No.305535
>>305527
Even if we were to remove Varna Vyavastha at all. Let's say we get rid of caste system entirely, we will just end up forming three broad category of UC, OBC and LC as time passed.
GC Shudras will coagulate with us UC, such as Jaat, Gujjars and so on, and Dalits will be discarded once again. Their is a reason why Sikh Jaats do not allow Bhangis to enter their Gurudwara. When I say this, their is no personal bias in this, it is just how it is.
4kgx9m
No.305536
>>305528
They both served their purpose
YJK8UD
No.305537
>>305528
>I don't have any dog in this fight,
I don't have any either, but this is wrong because manosphere gave rise to incel culture. Looksmaxxing, blackpill, mogging, all are words coined from those spaces. What you see these day are just the zoomer version of them
lwYhQL
No.305538
>>305517
>there's been massive outreach to dalits by bhajpa I think a good portion of them will still be heendu
Too late. Zoomer gens aren't retarded. They do follow hindu festivities and culture but pretty much athiest out of that
MBetH5
No.305539
>>305498
>I'm a Shudra myself, you dumb Chamar. We don't need your kind, kek.
Holy fuck Shudra Chad i kneel 
4kgx9m
No.305540
>>305527
Kek yaar, which gated housing complex do you faggots live in.
wMSCou
No.305541
>>305526
Why only seeing the richest ? Why not 1-2 level down rich people, every state has those, most notable jaats and gujjar, yadavs, many in southern states as well. They are people with significant power and hold lots of wealth , so I don't get why you think Hinduism has failed you.
xMUXR1
No.305543
>>305538
that's literally every religion except islam. And this is definitely going to be the case for islam in the coming generations. It doesn't matter, they still elected a christian conservative leader in Jewsa and zoomers voted for him. Zoomers are also one of the more pro bhajpa demographics.
4kgx9m
No.305544
>>305543
Please don't make this a BJP discussion thread
nxiNEi
No.305545
>>305530
The main pushback started with the New Atheism and Atheism Plus split. Gamergate just made it more mainstream.
MBetH5
No.305546
>>305537
>manosphere gave rise to incel culture.
Actually Incel culture came from retarded timmy losing it over a lesbian (who coined the term that is Invcel) not getting laid. They then started sort of using that term for themself. Manosphere has nothing to do with incels, they have overlap as they attract similar groups but that came much later.
The terms that you are mentioning also came outside those spaces (except blackpill) it's just so that they became saturated in Incel space lol. MGTOW was a joke because the goal was men not bothering anyone and being happy, but they never followed their own principle.
I am not criticising the movement, I am saying the people who followed it, failed to live by it. As they were retarded kek 
xMUXR1
No.305547
>>305504
>But does hinduism approve of them being well settled?
does christianity approve of women doing what they do now? does islam? does judaism? no? well these women will still consider themselves christian/muslim/jew because religions change with time dummy. There is no constant 'hinduism' only in flux. Its not the same as 100 years ago and will be different in 100 years to come.
YJK8UD
No.305552
>>305541
>Why only seeing the richest
because that matters?
>why you think Hinduism has failed you
I dont really care about moving away from hinduism or whatever. But i prefer my ethnic identity far more than my hindu identity, and hindutva, or at least the current strain of it, has to be eradicated because it is only for the benefit of dwijas,
4kgx9m
No.305553
>>305547
Then my movement should not cause any problems with hindus. Consider it a change within hinduism in the internet age from your perspective
MBetH5
No.305554
>>305543
Actually true though, Zoomers are not as weak to liberal propaganda that was generated in mass to Millenials. As a result you have got a much more radicalised generation.
wMSCou
No.305556
>>305526
A weak center with respect to india will lead to secession in long run, currently only hindusim is what has bounded people of this country. Also, benefits of a stable big country far outweigh the cons, small nations get nothing but bullying from likes of US, china, russia and their lives become just a game for these imperial powers.
MBetH5
No.305558
>>305555
The purple actually looks pretty neat.
nxiNEi
No.305559
>>305537
Manosphere did coin these terms but to attribute that to mgtow movement is copity cope. Mgtow is the most laughed at movement that emerged from the manosphere. It's the redpill movement that's far more mainstream represented by figures like Rollo Tomassi and Return of Kings guy and they are definitely NOT MGTOW(Voosh even turned in to standard Christian cuckservative later on).
4kgx9m
No.305560
>>305554
But zoomers on internet are susceptible to more indentarian movements as a result of this.
Hence they form bulk of trads and caste kangers
Hence such a movement is possible with them
4kgx9m
No.305562
>>305558
I am making these just on phone by taking negatives and filters
Will make a formal version on weekend by photoshop
MBetH5
No.305563
>>305530
>thats more so gamergate than manosphere
This. A lot of people don't understand that most of 4chan was just playing videogames and just watching animu. That is UNTILL people started to push their racial, gender and tranny faggotry in their games and animu. That is when the entire mass of VG and A started to merge with the politically incorrect board for good reason.
MGTOW movement could have not existed at all, and things would have still gone the way they did over time.
lwYhQL
No.305564
>>305543
I'm talking about secession from heenduism by dalits and LC. Zoomer LCs. In 5-10 years. There would be an actual standalone LC socio and political issues because previously they were contained by hinduism beliefs. Even now they are limited coz of their parents who still believe in hinduism. Young LC zoomers are just as rebellious as every zoomer and cannot be friends with varnic hindus anymore. I know this because i have lived among them.
Bjp has been late
MBetH5
No.305565
>>305560
>Hence they form bulk of trads and caste kangers
Ye toh based hai kek, this reminds me of how a Jaat anon told me his parents were pretty liberal but he became radicalised over time. Same with me kek.
xMUXR1
No.305566
>>305553
what I'm saying is that your 'movement' has no basis in reality, if you're gonna be against heenduism you can only really be against it as it is popularly practiced now. Any age old example really only makes its relevant millenia ago.
wMSCou
No.305571
Someday some baba will come and engulf your movement back into Hinduism, had islam and Christianity not had external roots, Hindus would have taken it and appropriated it as well. You can't win against Hindus. Also reformation in Hinduism are very easy, give it some time, things will become better.
4kgx9m
No.305572
>>305566
OK saar. But my movement is for urban Internet shudras who get scripture red pilled on hinduism and have faced (soft ) discrimination in life
YJK8UD
No.305573
>>305556
"weak center" isnt the right way to frame it. Why not frame it as "strong states"? A country as large and diverse as india should somehow be more centralized than usa, switzerland, uk, etc which are all more homogeneous than us? Doesnt make much sense
>stable big country
You get that by giving your states autonomy, so that the better states and cultures dont get held back by the worse ones and not breeding resentment in the process
4kgx9m
No.305575
>>305571
My movement will have the point of rejecting hinduism and baba as a core tenet, on the sole basis that if you ever get absorbed back, then eventually, in long enough run, hindu scriptures themselves will overturn all the "reforms" you did
That is its core.
WAU5Xr
No.305577
>>305556
I don't give a shit, but India’s a nuclear nation, so balkanization’s pretty damn unlikely. I’d love to see it go down, but we all know it ain’t good for anyone. Anyway, in 100-200 years, we’re def getting a few major world wars, maybe we’ll even see one ourselves. Doesn’t really matter, tbh. Live your life to the fullest instead of being some keyboard warrior. All I’m saying is constantly whining and venting about how oppressed or depressed you are won’t do jackshit
4BOtOl
No.305579
>>305575
I have oneish question answer earnestly. Did your yearning for this movement emerge out of hatred for dwijas or your love for general shudra and this is an attempt to provide an organization to help those?
Or it's just about you, your own ego nothing else matters.
MBetH5
No.305580
>>305577
Yeah at one point it starts to lose weightage. Like how the Islam lost its weightage when they started to just cry too much about being falsely labelled as terrorists or the Negroes over their racial oppression. Overdoing it always backfires even if their is some essense of truth to it.
4kgx9m
No.305582
>>305579
>your love for general shudra and this is an attempt to provide an organization to help those?
>Or it's just about you, your own ego nothing else matters.
Two of these, they don't have to be exclusive. Also self ego is an important thing, it is tied to self respect. If Pandavas didn't have self ego they would have never fought the war.
It is an urban focused movement, I already said, an Internet movement for scripture aware shudras who don't feel comfortable in hinduism. And if some general on ground Shudra who is facing actual hard discrimination wishes to join us by getting knowledge, he is 100% welcome
4BOtOl
No.305583
>>305577
Closest movement i can think of is Sikhism which even though had brahmin pioneers it was took over by jats and eventually it got taken over by abrahamic adjacent character which only lead to creation of enmity, self hatred towards fellow Indians.
It never solved the issue of 'castism'. I don't see this movement of anon ending up in any other manner.
Similar movements can be termed if we consider the ones lead by periyar, lohia, laloo etc.
He is probably from dominant community, high likelihood that it will turn into circlejerk of same community or taken over by one.
MBetH5
No.305584
>>305579
Actually on a more important core of the issue, what was the core reason for this? Like what is the problem that this movement wants to really address for GC Shudras? If it does, why does this movement have to be different from entire sect of ambedkarism?
MBetH5
No.305585
wMSCou
No.305586
>>305575
It's what buddhism and Jainism also started as, now its appropriated, it will told as a new path / philosophy of Hinduism itself and people will follow it.
MBetH5
No.305588
>>305583
>periyar, lohia, laloo
I don't know about Lohia tbh but periyar was a UC himself, and Laloo was bullshitting everyone, he knew this as well. It's just Bihari and padavs were retard enough to fall for it.
4kgx9m
No.305589
>>305583
No. I will ensure it doesn't happen. I haven't formalised many of the ideals,but I will ensure it strictly remains away from kanging and Community circlejerking
I will also NEVER reveal my caste so as to prevent my caste from being turned into a godlike /prophet figure, I will remain in internet anonymity forever so that I never become a prophet/godlike figure
So that my caste is never seen as a dwija like figure of this movement.
I will ensure that. I will try my best to jot down the ideals so that it never becomes like that
xMUXR1
No.305590
>>305582
people who routinely misinterpret scriptures for such means are brootally sariya'd on instagiram and xitter alike.
wMSCou
No.305591
>>305589
You will be labelled as ktwa at first instance
4BOtOl
No.305592
>>305582
>If Pandavas didn't have self ego they would have never fought the war.
Don't bring up the scriptures you never read with good faith. Pandavas were content with 5 villages, they pretty much set aside their ego.
But as i understand there's ego okay.
>I already said, an Internet movement for scripture aware shudras who don't feel comfortable in hinduism. And if some general on ground Shudra who is facing actual hard discrimination wishes to join us by getting knowledge, he is 100% welcome
Fair so it's matter of ideological/philosophical difference. Though it's once again has a-hindu in its core which only makes it very susceptible to failure, getting absorbed by anti hindu movement.
Since you want to use ambedkar as an icon, it will fail harder. Most OBC-Gen shudra don't really want to associate with ambedkar.
4kgx9m
No.305594
>>305584
Do I really need to explain why this movement is needed for GC Shudras ?
My community rejected SC Status and OBC status for muh izzat but that izzat never happened.
Many other issues also, within hinduism as well. The more religious hindu a Shudra tries to be the more damning it will be for him. Merely reading the scriptures can give a Shudra identity crisis, I know because this happened to me
>inb4 saar why are you reading vedas
I read only epics (translations)
Planning to read puranas soon
4kgx9m
No.305595
>>305591
OK. Irrelevant. Anonymity and not being a prophet figure myself is important to me. Else this will just be me starting my own cult
MBetH5
No.305596
>>305592
>Pandavas were content with 5 villages, they pretty much set aside their ego.
Infact they were kind of pushed "into" the war, or to be exact, the war was pushed "onto" them. It was kind of entries point that besides Vrikodar, no one wanted a clash or title of kin slayer upon them.
4kgx9m
No.305599
>>305592
>Though it's once again has a-hindu in its core which only makes it very susceptible to failure, getting absorbed by anti hindu movement.
The alternative is being absorbed by hinduism and then generations later you are back to square one, example, Lingayats
4BOtOl
No.305600
>>305585
yeap, it did in fact that's why i don't feel anyone would like to associate with new movement there's better chance at revisioning hinduism than this.
>>305584
yeah i wanted to ask but it seems it emerged after the trad kanging or something.
>>305588
Tbh that's all i could think of when it comes to similar movement. Those had kings, leading groups, dominant castes involved and yet all of them are pretty big failure.
If we want to go into anti-hindu philosophy as a whole then there's buddhism but once again it kinda failed and also not really some shudra friendly as ambedkarites might want to project.
MBetH5
No.305601
>>305594
>My community rejected SC Status and OBC status for muh izzat but that izzat never happened.
>Many other issues also, within hinduism as well. The more religious hindu a Shudra tries to be the more damning it will be for him.
>Merely reading the scriptures can give a Shudra identity crisis, I know because this happened to me
>>inb4 saar why are you reading vedas
>>I read only epics (translations)
>>Planning to read puranas soon
I mean, any other scripture, such a smiritis and Puranas are fine though. Pretty sure the line is strictly drawn at vedas since they are gatekept by bloodlines. (Certain schools keeping certain books). Honestly nothing is wrong with how you are approaching this, in terms of orthodoxy.
4kgx9m
No.305602
>>305601
I am talking about the constant bashing given to shudras in scriptures. Which is also why I dislike vaishnavism and Vishnu
MBetH5
No.305605
>>305601
However I feel like the bone of issue is that the Shudras are tallied in same level with those who take SC status. When that should not be the case.
I feel like their is a much greater political element here than religious one alone. I wonder if we all were provided seats strictly based on financial status of our home and not our caste, if this would still be a problem. Where caste and the reservation category would have basically no real overlap with each other.
4BOtOl
No.305606
>>305589
Okay this is interesting i forgot that it was meant to be anonymous internet movement. Though i wonder how you would prevent it from becoming r/exhindu type circlejerk or if you even want to.
How you balance into keeping your movement sustained just on its own ideals without turning into pure anti-hindu is your problem.
>>305599
>absorbed into hinduism
It's not bad thing, it's more like you have solidified your perception of self-inferiority but be as it may dear.
WAU5Xr
No.305607
>>305594
Wgo are Gen shudra give examples
xMUXR1
No.305608
Also, heenduism is an ethnoreligion, i.e. its pretty much tied to indians(generally) and your identity if you are heendu or heendu descended. Even if joomers are not religious they will certainly try to sariya you if you say something outrageous about it.
4kgx9m
No.305609
>>305605
No. It is a more religious issue atleast from my view
4kgx9m
No.305611
>>305606
>Though i wonder how you would prevent it from becoming r/exhindu type circlejerk or if you even want to.
That's why I chose the name similar to MGTOW
MGTOW, atleast in theory was strictly opposed to seething on women like incels. Only YT channels like Sandman made videos but they were mostly overviews /dissection
In theory my movement will be about removing hinduism out from your life and mind if you feel troubled by it as a Shudra, and by removing it from mind means to stop letting it live rentfree there
4kgx9m
No.305612
>>305606
>It's not bad thing, it's more like you have solidified your perception of self-inferiority but be as it may dear.
It is. In a long enough time period Lingayats will be completely digested and absorbed, back to square one . Worse even as many will be avarnas
MBetH5
No.305613
>>305602
>I am talking about the constant bashing given to shudras in scriptures. Which is also why I dislike vaishnavism and Vishnu
I guess I can't disagree with this one. Though i feel like this is strictly a very Manusmirit thing honestly. Ironically Vaishnavism's sole sect such as ISKON is also the one that is most "equality" based considering everyone Shudras, and even allowed foreigners to join the one and same. It does however limited what you can eat and what you can't.
>>305604
>Would it be right for the Pandavas to avoid avenging the humiliation of their wife? What about Draupadi ?
Fair point, counte point is Yudhisthir could have just not tried to sacrifice his wife, for being the saviour complex he was. Counter point is also, Draupadi could have not mocked Karana as a suta putra during swayamvar. Not that I do not see your point, but ego and dignity should not be confused with each other. They are kind of very different things, even if they feel same.
4kgx9m
No.305614
>>305607
Many. I can't reveal my caste obviously
4kgx9m
No.305615
4BOtOl
No.305617
>>305611
Don't you think you might be mistakenly removing your own identity. Hinduism is not some mere ideals, it's your own family diety, your ancestors.
How do you decide what you chose to discard and what to keep? How do you fulfill the need of a someone to have something akin to religion? Or it's also an atheistic movement. There should be some belief to replace the existing beliefs otherwise the voids will result in something worse taking their place.
MBetH5
No.305619
>>305607
Actually I have wanted to do this for a while. I have always been fascinated by lack of gotra system among Shudra. Goes without saying, I do not care for Avarnia and those who do not really identity as Hindus. But I want a listing for the Shudras across India, in hopes i can create a Gotra System for them.
>First person to write a modern smriti in this century
4BOtOl
No.305620
>>305619
Shudras do have gotras but not like those rishis, sometimes they take gotras of priests who sanskritised them.
MBetH5
No.305621
>>305614
>Many. I can't reveal my caste obviously
Haan but their has to be a bulk right? It's not like you need to specifically tell us your caste. For an instance i can just say when it comes to Brahmin Gauda, Dravida, Maharastraka, Gujara, Kanyakubj and so on and so on are few.
Shudras are much larger in numbers. Even if you do not want to label them here, it would serve you right to take time and research the Shudra groups that actually are general and unreserved.
4kgx9m
No.305622
>>305617
>Hinduism is not some mere ideals, it's your own family diety, your ancestors
Scripturally, atlewst from what I have understood, shudras don't have family deity, atleast from scriptural perspective. Same for pitras/ancestors. Now again, my movement is not theology, I will keep room enough for people who wish to keep family deities and ancestors /pitras to do so, but those that don't want to are most welcome.
Again, much of it is motivated by the Mgtow movement in spirit
Mgtows chose to be celibate, some chose to pump and dump
4kgx9m
No.305623
>>305621
OK, I have to research it. If I name the ones I know I might be potentially doxxed
MBetH5
No.305624
>>305620
>Shudras do have gotras but not like those rishis, sometimes they take gotras of priests who sanskritised them.
It's not enough yaar, it's not worked well enough. I want to give them a prober gotra system that allows them to marry each other comfortably. I want to break the taboo so they stop being so region locked, or atleast can avoid generic bottle neck.
4BOtOl
No.305625
>>305622
Got it, it's interesting and you seem motivated enough so good luck shudra anon in your pursuit. I hope you have a happy life which is most important.
MBetH5
No.305626
>>305623
That's fine yaar take your time.
4BOtOl
No.305627
>>305624
Kek very interesting.
4kgx9m
No.305630
>>305625
Most family deities of shudras are some local deities or deities of brahmins they adopted, same for pitra culture is adoption from dwijas
MBetH5
No.305634
>>305630
>Most family deities of shudras are some local deities or deities of brahmins they adopted, same for pitra culture is adoption from dwijas
True, it can be serialised. Some Shudra families use totem or token idol as their gotra, but it can probably be improved. I feel like their gotra was made in a rush. It can be improved a lot. It will be my master piece of a smriti.
4kgx9m
No.305637
>>305634
Again, it will be subject to criticism by Trads and Shankaracharyas
Best solution for them, atleast those that are high iq and can see the flaws in their position in hinduism is to leave, or atleast go their own way
SGTOW will start as a discussion group. On bhch as I dont trust twitter/discord and doxxings happens there more easily. Place for shudras to discuss ways to go there own way, away from Hinduism
It is not meant to be a mass movement initially. If it grows into one later I will see that
I welcome even theist believing shudras and even dwijas to these threads
MBetH5
No.305639
>>305637
>Again, it will be subject to criticism by Trads
I will rape them.
>and Shankaracharyas
I will rape them too. Bape di meher, Baman don't care.
>Best solution for them, atleast those that are high iq and can see the flaws in their position in hinduism is to leave, or atleast go their own way
That's unrelated with me wanting to give them a gotra system. They can leave Hinduism if they do not want to keep being a part of it, but i still wish to give them real gotra system since they have been Hindus in paste. Shudras shouldn't suffer the same way inbred Dalits do.
>SGTOW will start as a discussion group. On bhch as I dont trust twitter/discord and doxxings happens there more easily. Place for shudras to discuss ways to go there own way, away from Hinduism
Twitter is saturated with Bhangis, they will just attack you for thinking you are better than them kek. Do as you must and do research.
>It is not meant to be a mass movement initially. If it grows into one later I will see that
>I welcome even theist believing shudras and even dwijas to these threads
Nice. Ask away if you need any theological help. Most people have little reason to lie here since orthodox anons are orthodox regardless of how someone feels about it, making it source of honesty.
MBetH5
No.305640
>>305639
Mai chala animu dekhne, ato shubhratri /b/hai log
kgQCEv
No.305662
>>305438
Half of shudras wont even accept that they are shudras kek
